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Interpreting KS2 Sats

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Ang69 · 10/07/2018 16:10

Just got DD's KS2 Sats results, this is the first time I've dealt with these so unsure what they mean. It says she has achieved standard which is good but can anyone shed any light on the scores? She got 109 in English Grammar, 118 in reading and 110 in maths.

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FrayedHem · 14/07/2018 12:41

That's very bold of them to not report it, is there no consequences for that?

We've not had the Teacher Assessments results yet for DS2, but last year DS1 was graded as "has not met" for science. I can't see how any of them could! Science is proving to be one of DS1's better subjects at secondary but I suspect DS2 is going to struggle.

lola212121 · 14/07/2018 13:30

My son is going to year 7 in September , he scored 92 in English , 105 in maths procedural and 102 in maths reasoning . This year he had done virtually no preparation at home and has lost interest in learning at all claiming that he does enough in school . He cries every time we sit down and do some work and it causes great stress . I have tried many methods to get him to learn at home : money bribing , banning technology , making it fun . I'm hoping that his band in in secondary school will not be affected by his results . Can he be moved up a set after few months ?

lola212121 · 14/07/2018 13:55

My son had his SATS results back . He got 92 for English . His results came back as 4 4 4 . If he improves in secondary school , will he be able to move up a set or are sets fixed ？

Rowgtfc72 · 14/07/2018 14:02

Lola, when we went round the new secondary we were told the teachers would know within three weeks if the kids were in the wrong sets. That's after Sats and Cats tests!

TeenTimesTwo · 14/07/2018 15:25

Sets should be variable. But it is up to each school how they do this. Where schools stream it is harder to move between streams.

penguinsnpandas · 14/07/2018 16:12

The secondaries run CATS at start of y7 so anyone in the wrong set can be adjusted then.

noblegiraffe · 14/07/2018 16:21

CATs aren’t universal, not all secondaries do them, or use them in the same ways.

penguinsnpandas · 14/07/2018 16:28

I didn't realise that, all the testing seems excessive to me, round here all have sats then individual school tests then cats with only a few months from start to finish. Then there's end of year exams. Plus lots of little exams inbetween.

ourkidmolly · 14/07/2018 16:40

So much angst on this thread. We've really become totally consumed by the testing regime in this country. I don't think it's going to bring us anywhere good. The impact is shown by an increase of anxiety related mental health disorders.

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Ang69 · 14/07/2018 18:09

I agree. I'm pleased my DD has done well but we haven't made a big fuss over the numbers. She really was struggling not that long ago but suddenly wanted to do more work and really threw herself into it hence the good marks. She is now mad at not getting more in her maths and we've had to tell her to stop and chill out. Really trying to get her to focus on more than just what an exam says about her. Worried now as my other DD age 9 is worried about her SATS in 2 years time. She is likely dyslexic and is needing quite a bit of remedial classes to just be average, Really wish we didn't have them at all.

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Changenameday · 14/07/2018 18:22

Secondary maths teacher here if anyone has any questions but to try and summarise roughly what has been asked so far.

GCSE targets are generated based on the SATs results for each individual student but these are used to judge the school and how they are progressing students from the end of KS2 to the end of GCSEs (progress8 measure).

With regards to setting/banding there is no reason even a poor teacher wouldn’t notice if a child was in the wrong group (too high or too low) within a few weeks and certainly by Christmas of year 7. Also sets in year 7 are extremely unlikely to be the same by year 11.

I know it’s not always easy to believe with the pressure on testing at the moment but SATs really are mostly about league tables and judging schools and less about individuals.

Finally I can say from 3 years of teaching completely mixed ability set year 7s that the SATs are not the best measure of actual mathematical ability!

Feenie · 14/07/2018 18:58

There was already a secondary Maths teacher on the thread!

bellinisurge · 16/07/2018 16:12

Totally baffled- my son appeared to do wonderfully well and got 120 scaled score for SPAG and Reading.
And almost as wonderfully in Maths at 116.
However, in the teacher assessment, he got "working at expected standard" for English reading , Maths and Science (he was picked for the extra science SAT) and "working at greater depth at [sic] the expected standard" for English writing.

Does this mean the teacher reckons he needs to put in more effort? As a contrast the written report from the same teacher is glowing with loads of "above expected" marks.
Obviously I'm really proud of him.
Am I over thinking?

oldbirdy · 16/07/2018 16:23

As stated elsewhere in the thread, the official teacher assessment except for writing can only be at or below standard. The test thrashes out if they are greater depth. For writing only as there is no test, teachers can award greater depth.

FrayedHem · 16/07/2018 16:26

bellinisurge i think only the Teacher Assessment for writing can be at Greater Depth, there is no GD for the others.

bellinisurge · 16/07/2018 16:27

Cheers @oldbirdy . We only got ours today. I tried to extrapolate from other people's posts but couldn't quite get it.
Which may well speak volumes about me

bellinisurge · 16/07/2018 16:42

Thanks @FrayedHem . Ds opened it and only saw the words "greater depth" for one area. He was a tad disheartened.

captainjacksparrow · 16/07/2018 19:52

Got DD's results today. She got 120 in math, spag and reading. Very proud of her

bellinisurge · 16/07/2018 20:10

Well done!

Lougle · 21/07/2018 23:25

DD2 has been a worry all year, and at many points one point her HT admitted that she was on course to fail her SATs, despite their and my best efforts with her. She suffers hugely with anxiety and is waiting for ASD formal assessment, and despite seeming to not take it all in at all, managed to turn it all around and scored 100 for maths, 106 for SPAG and 110 for reading. We were all delighted with her, and she won the "Most Improvement" award at her leavers assembly. However, it does leave me a little bit worried that she might be set higher than she is confident for in English, because she does struggle and she finds it hard to produce good volumes, so if she's scraped into Greater Depth territory, it might imply that she's 'able'

bellinisurge · 21/07/2018 23:29

@Lougle - she's done well and, because you are clearly engaged in her progress, I'm sure you will keep an eye on any unrealistic stuff thrown at her. Sorry if that sounds patronising but I am sure she will do well with you on her side.

PipnJo · 22/07/2018 10:17

@Lougle - I have the same with my DS, he has ASD. He had 1:1 support throughout his SATs and scored 100 in maths, 102 SPAG and 112 in Reading. We were so pleased and then i got that fear of what if he won't cope with where he's placed in secondary school.
But DH basically said the same as @bellinisurge. :)

Lougle · 22/07/2018 14:31

I'm glad you understand, @Pipnjo. An example is that DD2 doesn't do inference. She just doesn't get it. So her school have taught her stem sentences that get around inference, so she can pick out obvious emotion words or sensation words, and add on "inference phrases" that she's learned by wrote, to give the impression that she's inferring information. So "I think that Johnny is feeling cold because..... The phrase 'he was cold and chilled....'" she doesn't actually think anything about Johnny. She's just seen the word cold and the word chilled and thought 'ah! Cold. That's a temperature word.' She doesn't give a stuff about Johnny, and is definitely not thinking about how he feels

littlequestion · 23/07/2018 07:12

My DS is high achieving and did extremely well. His secondary school gives GSCE targets from year 7 and so I expect his targets will all be 8s and 9s. I'm really worried that he will get downhearted if he fails to hit them as I suspect he will in many subjects (he's bright but no genius). He is motivated by doing well but I fear he will think he's failing as they are constantly judged against targets (he had a sibling at the school already). Any tips on dealing with this?

Curlyshabtree · 12/07/2019 21:10

MY Dd has done really well. 120 in maths and spag and 114 in reading. She got 100% on all her maths papers. Bit gobsmacked. We are a poor family, living in a deprived inner city area, no degrees, DH is an immigrant with English at his third language. Enormously proud. Have to credit her amazing teachers for inspiring her to achieve.
I know they don’t mean much in the long term but I will savour this moment.

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