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Interpreting KS2 Sats

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Ang69 · 10/07/2018 16:10

Just got DD's KS2 Sats results, this is the first time I've dealt with these so unsure what they mean. It says she has achieved standard which is good but can anyone shed any light on the scores? She got 109 in English Grammar, 118 in reading and 110 in maths.

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whataboutbob · 13/07/2018 15:03

Thanks that’s useful. He usually does well in maths so hopefully the lessons he gets should be within his comfort zone while also stretching him.

BarefootHippieChick · 13/07/2018 15:08

Bob that's good, he'll probably be ok then. It's usually around year 9 that they start extra lessons in preparation for GCSES anyway.

whataboutbob · 13/07/2018 15:12

Thanks!

Notmyideamovingon · 13/07/2018 16:09

I've got a child with 117( spag), 114 (reading) and 111 (maths) crying because she thinks she did badly as it said achieve d and she was told her target was exceeded. Fuck you Michael Gove to hell and back again you fucking evil bastard

Bollocksitshappenedagain · 13/07/2018 16:09

This gives an idea of the raw scores they got to get the scaled ones

schoolsweek.co.uk/scaled-scores-for-2017-key-stage-2-sats-announced/

TeenTimesTwo · 13/07/2018 16:14

Notmy I don't think it is fair to blame MG.
Blame the teachers who told her her targets.

DD2 did SATs 2 years ago (first year of new system). School didn't mention the 100 threshold and results came addressed to us, so we told her her scores (I think, we might not even have done that) and that she had done really well and we were really pleased. (Even though only one score was 3 digits).

kyrenialady · 13/07/2018 16:28

My dd got her results today, she is disappointed in herself.

She got 105 for S&G, 99 in Maths and 98 in English.

I told I was pleased as she has virtually passed.

I bloody hate SATS.

SkeletonSkins · 13/07/2018 17:03

@notmyideamovingon tell her she DID get exceeding in all three! They just can’t report it that way yet. 110 or more is classed as exceeding.

Teachers can only put exceeding/greater depth for WRITING. For reading and maths we can only put expected or not. It is in the test they then get a score which if above 110 is greater depth.

I hope that reassures her. Yes it’s a shit system but as a teacher I have to play the game.

MissWimpyDimple · 13/07/2018 17:31

Mine got hers today and they are 120 SPAG 115 reading and 109 maths.

She's a clever girl but she KNOWS she got at least one or two wrong in SPAG so it's a bit confusing that she seemingly got "100%"

Or am I missing something?

TeenTimesTwo · 13/07/2018 17:36

Miss 120 top scaled score maps onto a range of marks, not just full marks (as do the other scaled scores). e.g. 120 = 76-80 marks (made up range)

BertrandRussell · 13/07/2018 17:39

I haven't read the thread and I don't know how to interpret the new SATs but I would stake my house on the OP's child's results being well above average. I will now read the thread and see whether or not I need to apologise.

FrayedHem · 13/07/2018 17:39

This link has the raw and scaled scores information @MissWimpyDimple
schoolsweek.co.uk/scaled-scores-for-2018-key-stage-2-sats-announced/

MissWimpyDimple · 13/07/2018 17:44

Thanks. That makes sense.

FrayedHem · 13/07/2018 17:44

DS2 got his today, but rather than a printed sheet in an envelope like last year, they got called in one by one to the Head of School (class teacher also there) and told them (they did get to write it down). Also only got given the ones they sat tests for, not the teacher assessments.

Notmyideamovingon · 13/07/2018 17:47

@skeletonskins thank you outta the first time she's had a report that way a line of "exceeding". I know she's fortunate and I know sats are full of but I hate that she thought she had done less well than expected

Superbirdtrooperbird · 13/07/2018 17:52

Did anyone else's DC get a maths result that was lower than expected? DDs target was 113 and her teacher said she would almost def achieve it as she'd been working really hard. On the day of the last maths test she came home saying they'd only been given 30 mins and the practice papers were all 40 mins so she'd missed 2 questions at the end. Her teacher also mentioned it was a particularly tough maths paper, with one question in particular being 'cruel'. DD is very bright, got 118 in reading and 117 in SPAG so her 109 in maths was really unexpected. Most of the class missed their maths target, apart from 2 apparently.

Notmyideamovingon · 13/07/2018 17:55

And her mother can't type and doesn't check her work ;)

TeenTimesTwo · 13/07/2018 17:56

Sorry super Your school was targeting exact scores? Not even achieved and 'greater depth'. imo Your school is crazy and unnecessarily setting children up to feel like they have failed.

Superbirdtrooperbird · 13/07/2018 18:06

They each had a personal target, yep. She exceeded both her SPAG and writing targets by 3 marks but missed her maths target by 4 even though she'd been working hardest on maths.
To be fair, they don't tell the children their targets, and I only knew DDs because I asked at parents evening. Their SATs results are what her secondary school uses to place children into a band, and we hoped DD would get a place in the grammar stream so we wanted to know if she was on track.

Superbirdtrooperbird · 13/07/2018 18:08

DDs school is in a very underprivileged area, with lots of children not meeting the expected standard. The targets are used to provide interventions for the children who need it the most. In my experience, all schools have individual SATs targets for each child, but in general they don't tell children or parents unless they ask.

TeenTimesTwo · 13/07/2018 18:12

Oh OK. As long as they aren't telling the children.

And now you've mentioned banding and grammar stream, I can moan about that instead Smile … Why not just set for subjects at least for KS3? Why the need to have a 'grammar band'. Not as bad as a 'grammar school' but still...

IStillDrinkCava · 13/07/2018 18:17

Hellohah thanks again for those other links Flowers

Superbird ours is quite pushy but didn't go as far as individual targets! Surely anyone can get a few questions wrong on the day or run out of time.

Allpizzas yes possibly DD will be damaged for life by overachieving on her maths by a few marks. Meh, she loved those extra lessons and she's finally started to believe she can do maths. I'll take it. There are far too girls who underestimate their maths ability.

Superbirdtrooperbird · 13/07/2018 18:25

We live in an area where there are a LOT of grammar schools, mostly filled with children who were coached to pass the 11+ and are struggling to keep up with the curriculum as a result. That's something I've witnessed myself, as in the past I've worked in schools across the county. DD took her 11+ because her best friend was taking it, and it meant 2 days out of lessons! She scraped a pass without any coaching, but we had no intention of sending her to a grammar school. Based on her results, the grammar stream at her new school seemed like a sensible option, the education of a grammar school whilst still having the social experiences of a regular, mainstream school. The main draw for me was that the gcse results in the grammar stream were 97% A-C in core subjects, compared to 71% in the rest of the school.
Banding allows the teacher to work at greater depth with the children who can manage that, while the children working at expected or below can be offered more tailored support to achieve their best outcomes.

Muuuuuuuum · 13/07/2018 18:27

How do they use SATS to predict / target set for GCSE? Just for maths and English, or across all 8+ GCSE subjects?

And is it down to individual schools or is there a rule that says child with eg 105 in SATs must get As and if not secondary school have failed?

AgentHannahWells · 13/07/2018 18:36

DD got praised and a present for trying her best, the scores are meaningless really as everyone knows who the cleverest is in their class. So either the tests 'prove' that and make the lower scoring kids feel bad, or there is a shock with results and everyone can't believe it because they all know who usually does well. Either way it's shit.