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Head phoned and asked me to collect DS1

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LynetteScavo · 25/05/2007 11:11

I've just collected DS1 (8) from school. The head phoned and asked me to collect him, as he had refused to go into his class this morning ( I have had trouble getting him into school lately, and he's missed 5 days, as I couldnt' physically get him in)

When he is in school he's perfectly happy, it's just the transition of going in.

Any advice at all would be very gratefully recived

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ScummiMummi · 26/05/2007 01:14

hmm- I think you could be a bit more directive, tbh. I would not tell him there are options, personally. In fact I would tell him there is no option- you have decided he is going to school and that's that. I would give reasons if you want but not options, eg: "It's the law that you're educated and you are such a clever boy and Daddy and i need to work and I'm not doing time for you kidder because I'd miss you far far far too much!" Be firm but not too heavy, perhaps? Sounds like you are really committed to sorting it. Good luck.

Starmummy · 27/05/2007 06:16

He is by all accounts a clever boy. The point has been made that you offered him choices. That time is past now. When he is calm and away from school, try to establish what he likes and dislikes about school, on that basis you can then start to implement a strategy for getting him into school. At 8 he is old enough to explain why he doesnt like entering school. It maybe something as simple as the crush of people,the noise,the shadow thats falls that looks like a monster etc IYSWIM? Dont forget if he has been attending this school since nursery then whatever it is will be ingrained and like any habit will take time to break. Does he think you are having a more interesting time than he is, my DS always did, till I kept him home and made him do the washing, change the beds, all the boring stuff, with no break (no time, so no snacks or anything). It he is clever then maybe he is just bored? Maybe he needs enticing with a challenge? Could you get help with the other children just for an hour in the morning to get him to school, you wouldnt want the others to get the same idea.
Good luck I really hope you find a solution soon.

popsycal · 27/05/2007 07:29

May not work for your ds but..
A few years ago, I had a child in my class who was very similar. Something really simple solved the problem - coming in ten minutes early to 'help me with jobs'.

It was quieter, calmer and made him feel important.

Is DS able to articulate what it is that causes the problem for him?

LynetteScavo · 27/05/2007 23:10

The only thing DS will say about not wanting to go in is that he 'just cant' and the work is 'boring'.

He was at the top of his class in infant school, where he was described as very academic, very able etc. He didn't get on with his teacher, who was determined to get the best out of every chid. In his SATs he wrote 'boring boring boring', which obviuously didn't go down well. When he sarted junior school, he was tested to see which English and Maths groups he should be in. Needless to say he didn't write much on the papers and ended up in low groups, despite getting 3's in his SAT's. The teachers are bigining to realise he is more able, but to be honest I think he's not bothering to work because he's bored, and because he doen't work, or fill out QCA papers, his teachers say they don't have the evidence that he is particularly able. The school are happy with his work, as they say he is above average.

Our GP has refered us to a private clinical psychologist, at DH's request. (£165 for the first session ) I'm really not sure if we will just be wasting our money

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LynetteScavo · 28/05/2007 10:47

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popsycal · 28/05/2007 10:49

What is he interested in?

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cazzybabs · 28/05/2007 11:01

Is he bored?

Does he like being different? Most children don't but there is a child in my school who enjoys the attention he gets from being different - not wearing the correct uniform etc.

Is it for attention? Does he feel his siblings get more attention then him, and therefore by refusing to go into school he gets attention.

Does he know why he needs to go to school - not just to stop you getting fined, but to endure he gets a good job. What does he want to do with hs life?

Is he bored in school - could he have a special project to work on with a TA in the mornings for 10 minutes - what is he interested in? Could be use the internet at school or library to find out things and make a book about it?

LynetteScavo · 28/05/2007 11:34

Thanks guys.. we'e quite sure he's not being bullied, although he does find making new friends difficult. The only thing he is interested in is cars, and possible other transport with wheels, but mostly cars, cars, cars.... We're' trying to convince him he does need some qualifications, even to become a rally driver, and especially to design cars. I can see him thinking, 'well, when I go to high school, and can drop subjects like music, and concentrate on physics, I might go and do some work'. He honestly doesn't see the point of school atm.

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juuule · 28/05/2007 11:34

You have said you have given him options, but the options were weighted in accordance with what you would like him to do. You haven't really given him any option. If home-ed really is viable for you as a family, could you do that for a while, at least until this stand-off is past? It seems such a pity to crush such a strong character.

LynetteScavo · 28/05/2007 11:35

Does anyone think we'll be wasting our time/ money on the clinical psychiatrist?

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LynetteScavo · 28/05/2007 11:42

Oh,juuule, that's exactly what were doing, crushing him. The thing is when he is in school, he is happy; I've observed him. It's just the initial getting through the door.

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juuule · 28/05/2007 11:43

If it was just the getting him through the door , why did the head need to call you to take him home. He doesn't sound happy when he's there from what you've said.

cornsilk · 28/05/2007 11:53

My ds is so like yours Lynette. It's interesting that your ds has said that he 'just can't' go to school. When we talked to our ds about his reasons he said 'Because it's what I do.' There is no room for reasoning with him at all. He's not being bullied and has friends, his teacher is great. Like your ds mine is also very bright but hates his work. Re the clinical psychologist, our ds was assessed last year by an ed psych due to his behaviour in school. The main benefit was that he was found to have a very high IQ and a specific learning difficulty, although previously school had focused just on his behaviour. Since then he has definitely been approached differently by his teachers and his behaviour in school has improved considerably. If only we could solve that getting into school bit!

LynetteScavo · 28/05/2007 12:12

ule, I'd dropped him of at school late, as I'd taken DS2 to pre-school (I though it would be better to get atleast one child in on time) I took DS1 into school, sent him off down the corridor to his class, and went to secretries office to tell her DS was in school. DS then tried running out of school, was held back by TA, while I exited out of the back door. It turned out his class were doing games on the field, and he didnt't feel able to get changed by himself and go out and join them.( The head and TA, and myself were unaware it was a games lesson, and presumed the children were working in class) So DS sat in the corriodor glaring.

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puffling · 28/05/2007 12:35

Here's an article by someone who claims to have success i with children who refuse to go to school:
www.naswe.org.uk/articles/overcoming-school-refusal.htm

LynetteScavo · 28/05/2007 12:46

Thanks puffling. DH and I will have a good look at that site when DC's are in bed

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juuule · 28/05/2007 12:47

From that article: "Working systemically, I encourage parents to consider what they might have done to help their child create the problem."
I would hope she also encourages the school to consider what they might have done to help the child create the problem, too. Although there is no mention of this in her article which would concern me that she's coming from the veiwpoint that it's the parent's fault. Worth looking at though.

flightattendant · 28/05/2007 16:39

A bit from a 'child's' perspective...possibly! Or an ex-child with a similar problem.
I don't know your family, Lynette - or what might be the problem with your Ds, poor him and poor you! But I do have experience in a way, which might help...not sure but here goes.
I had terrible school phobia when I was about 11.
The issue with me was insecurity at home, we had moved house, Mum started a mature degree at college and so wasn't at home, for the first time ever. Plus my sister had left our school to go to secondary school. I felt completely alone, and very very scared. I even had to walk to and from school alone (a couple of miles) and remember literally counting my steps - thousands of steps. I was so lonely.

I had certain physical symptoms - or imagined I did - which made me afraid I wouldn't be able to cope at school - I was terrified I'd feel sick or faint, of course these things happen when you are anxious enough. So I refused to go to assembly, many days I'd argue for ages before leaving the house, or occasionally manage to convince Mum that I just couldn't face it.
Mainly it was about putting everyone out, I mean I felt bad because they were all depending on me to go to school so that their lives could go on as normal, but I just felt so frightened and so responsible, yet unable to do what was expected of me.
Nobody seemed to understand and that made it worse. I lost weight, couldn't eat from fear, had dreadful panic attacks. It's still a vivid memory and I was certainly conscious of the reality of my feelings...however irrational they were.

The thing I wished for the most in the world, was for Mum to stay at home with me, or teach me at home...she wouldn't, she wasn't very confident about negating the whole system and was afraid it was 'indulging' me and would make me worse. But I still felt like a little girl inside and somehow, I think I 'needed' something that I'd perhaps never had - both my parents were very young and had depressive issues themselves, so I wasn't very secure emotionally.

What happened in the end, well I never got to see an educational psychologist or anything (I'd have been happy to have anyone step in and 'mother' me a bit, to be honest)
but I was gradually persuaded to rely on a girl in my class as a kind of support-friend. She would sit with me in the quiet room during assembly. She never put any pressure on me - though my teacher did, that didn't help - and eventually I began to feel secure because I had this girl, I was no longer alone, and therefore it wouldn't matter if I was to feel sick and have to walk out of assembly - I went from assuming the worst, to looking at life more positively, as if these things weren't likely to happen after all, as if i could deal with anything. That girl did me a huge favour just by being my friend.

I went on to secondary school with a better handle on things. I still had trouble sometimes but I'd proven to myself that I could cope. And I was never dragged kicking and screaming into school, to reach that goal - it was a gentle approach that keyed everything down.
I suspect the child someone mentioned who went in early to help their teacher, was getting a lot of security from being alone with the teacher - feeling somehow less alone, less afraid.
I'm sorry this is such a long post but I always really feel for a child when I see they have trouble going to school - and want to help their parents understand what it 'might' be about.
Again, your family is probably very different from ours...hope you don't think I'm implying anything about your Ds's reasons, they could be anything.
Good luck and don't stress about it - he'll be fine, school or not. Just try to be patient

flightattendant · 28/05/2007 16:47

BTW rational arguments about needing qualifications etc, probably won't work - he is experienceing feelings beyond his control, he is probably embarrassed about it but just cannot make himself do it - it's not a rational thing, but motivated possibly by just not feeling ready to 'grow up' just yet.
My overall advice would be to put him absolutely first, within practical reason of course - really baby him a bit, really listen, make him feel sure you aren't cross and don't resent him needing you for a while. In other words, give him what he's needing - before he's too big to accept your attention without being too embarrassed!

I really hope this helps. Mum used to get angry, but it just made me feel like a 'problem child' and that was awful, awful, awful. Please don't let the situation escalate into that. (Some families involve the police, etc....I hate to think what that does)

LynetteScavo · 28/05/2007 16:59

Flight Attendant, thank you so much for taking the time to post. I'm really grateful.

I'm going to read your post through again a few more times.

You've given me a lot to think about. Thakyou

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flightattendant · 28/05/2007 20:05

Hope it might help a bit...no problem as it was good to put it in writing for the first time!! xx

flightattendant · 28/05/2007 20:14

BTW I would really disagree with the forceful route, as you might have gathered! Have Just read the thread more carefully and I know at the time I would have freaked out completely given that kind of approach...I already felt trapped in people's high expectations (I was clever and high IQ - and always been one of the 'good' kids), and needed to know someone was purely on my side...teachers rarely are/can be, so all he has is you/DH. It sounds daft but he might really need reassuring of that fact, not to have his very real feelings dismissed and made to seem weird iyswim...sorry scummimummy! I think it is more likely to pass or resolve itself if he is given that rather than be told to grow up. That would just repress it all and could even make later demonstrations of these unmet needs much more serious.