If a child stabbed another dc in the hand with pencil WW happen in your school?

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Just wondering a DC who is 9 and has since little had repeated violent outbursts is going to get a missed break time for leaving two puncture wounds in another dc hand.

Would parents get told about this?
Personally I would expect the parents of the child to be told, and be called into the school to work on this?

Exact same thing happened to my ds a few years ago, think it's was yr3, kid deliberately sharpened his pencil and stabbed my son through the hand.

He was very violent and caused my ds years of emotional abuse and problems, the pencil event wasn't reported to me. I found out by seeing the evidence on my ds hand, I went in and blew a gasket.

His mother worked for the school. I think that was part of the problem.

Well depends who did it in ours. We have a bully who can do anything and get away with "please don't do that" whilst other kids cry themselves to sleep about it.

Realistically if "fair" punishment, I'd say letter of apology, 2 day suspension, removal of privilege.

Unfortunately my dd1 did this to another pupil a couple of years ago when she was nearly 7. I received a phone call straight afterwards to go in and she was excluded for 3 days from school. I also gave her a punishment at home as well as writing a letter to the pupil apologising.

I have been working with school since she started having problems in yr1 which recently resulted in her getting a dx and a echp being set up.

If this was a genuine attempt to harm and not just messing about then Yes they should be told. Both parents of the perpetrator and victim.

If this was a genuine attempt to harm and not just messing about then Yes they should be told. Both parents of the perpetrator and victim.

Are you the parent of the perpetrator? How do you know the parents weren't spoken to?

Harming another child is an immediate 'red card' on our behaviour system. Parents are told, a report form filled out, which the Head sees, and the child will have some sort of consequence. A first time might be a missed break, but if the child is a 'repeat offender', there will likely be more serious consequences.

I wish I knew why children think it is ok to stab others with sharp pencils ...it seems to be very common.

i'd go nuts (letters and meetings) on the school, stabbing with a pencil is very violent. sometimes the lead stains the skin.
i'd raise a fuss non stop until the child was excluded period!

when my dd was 9 another pupil deliberately cut her hair off. from behind. really hacked at it with scissors. he was given a 3 day suspension. at the time i thought he had just had a mad impulsive moment. dds hair grew back.
of course i found out subsequently that he already had a history of impulsive violent behaviour. he was removed from the school after stabbing someone with a pencil ( they had worked out to keep him away from blades at that point)

Thank you for the responses.
So our school seems pretty lax then. I wonder if there is a SN background, there might be, but I still think stabbing with a pencil needs more than a missed break. Glad to see other schools have lower tolerance on this.

If this child isn't your child I'm afraid you don't get a say in what the punishment should be nor find out what the reasoning behind it is. The school could be very lax and metering out insufficient punishment or, as you say, the child could have a SN and a behaviour plan which the school are trying to follow.

All you can do is ask how they intend to keep your child safe.

This happened to my dd when she was in year 1. Other child got a red card which just meant she missed a bit of her golden time that Friday. As the children were only 5 or 6 at the time I suppose the punishment was fair enough but I'd expect a 9 year old to be punished more harshly as they should certainly know better.

It's your child's education and as a taxpayer you do have a say. If a school issue is important to you (and hopefully others if it's a reasonable concern) you can make a difference.

No out you never get a say in another child's education unless you think other parents should get a say on your child's future too.

Tax payers need to put pressure on government to fund education and allied services properly so that all children have the opportunity for a good education.

The public does have s say in policy, it takes time. Change is rarely government led, people lobby the government for change.

out then we are talking about completely different things. Policy and strategy are a matter for public discussion.

What should happen to somebody else's child, isn't.

I dont think it should be down to the head what punishment a child gets for wounding another dc.

Unless there is sn plans in place, i think it should be standard that the dc gets punished in some proper way. For instance another dc had to miss break because she didn't fill in all her HW but for stabbing someone in the hand you get the same its utterly bonkers.
All schools should surely have to adhere to guidelines on dealing with violent dc? If my dc had stabbed someone deliberately I would want to know!

we would be apologizing to the dc, talking to the parents, DC would apologize and a massive issue would be made of it.
i cant say too much but the authority figure wasnt keen to let stabbing boys relative know.
Its a good school, its not deprived at all, very middle class in fact. All dc have amazing support, the dc in question comes from highly educated background too, no deprivation there at all, a very loving family.

I agree it should be a set standard sn or not.

Perhaps the schools set standard is missing a break.

I think a missed break is a bit weak for such an action. Especially now OP has explained what other actions resulted in a missed break.

Apparently those in full receipt of all the facts feel otherwise

Not sure who you feel should be in charge of discipline if not the head. There can't be a national framework on discipline just as there isn't one for parenting eg every situation is different so it just wouldn't work. That's before you even start to include SN.

The parents of the other child should have been informed by the school.

why would a national framework on discipline not work? simple enough to have a round table and come up with one.
why be wishy washy on discipline...either you brought a knife to school or not, either you caused bloodshed or not, either you stabbed someone with a pencil or not.
do you think the uk education system as a whole is unable to make progress in this area or others? honestly it sure seems like there is huge room for improvement here.

I stabbed a boy in the leg with a compass at school. He was trying to put his hand up my skirt under the table. Funnily enough he didn't report me and didn't try it again.

Sorry, slightly off topic but I just remembered it.

Does anyone on here really think that schools are not guided on their Discipline, Behaviour and sanctions by the Dept for Education? Schools individually decide upon their own policies but they do so within a structure. How an individual Teacher, Head and Governing Body implements their policies is another matter. There is no black and white and there have been great efforts to include children with SeN and often children who stab with pencils are needy children. Continual exclusions may not be appropriate in managing their needs and behaviour. There are lots of pressures on schools to do the right thing. It is very difficult to find alternative schools for SEN children and parents of these children frequently will not agree to their removal from mainstream school either so solutions take time. Any punishment a school gives must comply with their published policies and parents should become Governors if they want a greater input into the policies but not how they are used. That is down to the Head.