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Advice please; managing a violent situation at Recepetion year and onwards

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Chilicosrenegade · 20/06/2016 10:19

Hello,

This could be an emotive subject. I understand. However I am looking for constructive comment to managing a complicated ongoing situation please.

My DD is presently in Reception. Its been a rough year. She entered via its Nursery. We had a great year then. No issues with anything. In reception children entered from outside. New to the school, the rules and each other. Naively (now) we didnt think much of this.

One child, a boy, turned out to be quite volatile. My dd was hit regularly for 3 weeks before sobbing to me in the car about how scared she was to go in. Id genuinely had no idea. And dd had thought this was normal til she couldnt cope any longer. This coincided with a parents evening. Naturally I raised it. Our perfectly nice new teacher didn't have the ability to answer anything. She is recently qualified (inside 5yrs) and sadly kept saying she could listen but couldn't answer questions for fear of breaking confidentiality. She took our concerns on board. Nothing changed for a week. He hit my Dd again. I went to the HoY, notified our teacher I was doing so for fairness. Basically said I need information as to whats happening and how to protect my child. By this stage she was hating school. She was bitten, kicked, scratched, thumped, hair pulled, pushed over, tripped over, had pencils thrown at her, writing paper thrown at her, paint thrown at her, (this is extremely painful to write) he yanked her backwards by her pony tail so hard hair was removed from her head.

We called a meeting with the Head. We were advised no information could be given about X. We had copied the school policies and highlighted where infractions were occurring against the policies. We were advised that as they were under EYFS these policies didn't apply. We were advised they were monitoring and dealing with the situation. We could not be told how. Advice was being sought, by who we could not know. We asked if this was happening to other children, we could not be told. We were told that some children didnt attend any kind of school environment so were taking a while to settle. That it would improve.

3 weeks later my DD refused to go in. She loves school. Shes a keen kid, I make no apology for being lucky at present. I know this. We called another meeting. We had a book which went between school and home and recorded incidences and equated her happiness on a "Happy face" chart. Things improved it appeared in her appreciation but not in the rate of attacks.

Between Jan and feb half term we had two further meetings after attacks. She was punched in the eye and stood on and he fell on her knocking her over and hitting her head on a desk. These were again attributed to 'accidents'. Everything is an accident. She has to understand. She should move away from him. She should change play area. She should move away. She should understand him and his ability or lack of whichever applicable. They are both 5. To be honest the language used makes me sick. Its like domestic violence. For me, they are asking her to alter her behaviour to accommodate another and explain it by "he wanted it, so I left it" "he didnt mean to hurt me, it was an accident when he hurt me".

Ive since obviously found out from other parents that other children are experiencing similar. Its hinted that theres SEN, but thats not confirmed or denied and leaves us unable to understand anything or feel any confidence.

We have just found out they are not mixing classes this coming year for Year 1. So she has another year of this. Its been hinted that it would be traumatic for him. But the attacks are lesser bi weekly approximately. Now we have alternate issues. Now he regards DD as a friend, hes pushed over 3 children seperately for playing with her makiing them cry. Playmates shes had since nursery are not necessarily playing with her if he comes near. Shes upset. Shes been asked to be his lunch buddy but he scares her but as the school rule is "We are nice to everyone" shes been forced to assist him, swallow her fear of being hurt for fear of breaking a school rule. Shes 5.

For us it feels we are handling smoke. The issue runs through our fingers and theres nothing to grasp to discuss as we are not allowed to know anything. Our comments are "taken on board" but we cannot know what happens. And we wait, til something happens again. And we sign accident books where every item is an accident, he didnt mean it.

Every parent that complains is taken as a seperate issue not an accumlative one. Its not necessarily the school - part of me feels this is more systemic than specific. Im not entirely sure. Clearly, theres 'inclusivity' boxes that can be ticked happily in supporting him, but not in regards to supporting anyone else in the class.

Does anyone with any knowledge of education know anything that I can do to support my DD? And / or enable better discussion with our school? Are there supportive places I can get information? Can I complain any more? Who to? So far Ive gone as far as the Head Mistress. I dont want to leave the school. I want the violence to cease. If that ceased I dont see a reason to change much else. Ideally he moved classes, but thats probably a pipe dream. I am suspicious they would move her, thus compounding the "she must alter herself to keep him calm" attitude they seem to lazily adopt.

Any thoughts please? I feel at a loss... Ive always been able to solve things so far. And I cant. I need help. Please be kind.

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uhoh1973 · 21/06/2016 14:44

Agreed. The OP is asking about her child. It is not for us or her to second guess what is happening / not happening with the child who is hitting her child. She is looking for help on how to help her child. All this bitching isnt helping anyone.

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BishopBrennansArse · 21/06/2016 14:53

I quite agree diverging from the topic isn't helping. However tackling disablism isn't bitching.

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m0therofdragons · 21/06/2016 15:03

I've not read the whole thread but we had similar - dd3 hurt on 3 occasions by an older boy who was known to be violent. Clearly there were issues but whether he is SEN or not is between him, his parents and the school. My stance was that school has a duty if care and I would never knowingly put any of my dc in danger so unless school could convince me my dc was safe at school and things were in place to prevent her getting harmed I would keep dd at home. I sent email of that nature on a Friday night and received an email back with a request to see the head very early on the Monday. Now there were things about the other dc they couldn't tell me which I competely understood but I didn't take dc with me and had plans in place to work from home should I need to keep dd off school. I made school aware of this. Your stance needs to firm - you're not against the dc just protecting your own. Luckily I was satisfied with the head and deputy head's response but you do not have to accept it.

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Cherylene · 21/06/2016 15:03

My DCs school was like this - nothing was ever sorted out properly and this lead to a massive bullying problem from Y4 to Y5. The school should be looking after your DD's needs and it should not depend on what is happening/not happening to another child. In my experience, good teachers/schools sort out problems straight away and it is the bad ones where they last the whole year.

I was told by the LEA to move my DS as they could not help - we could only go through the governers. However, they did listen, and said that there would be no problem going to another school that was full as they were well aware of the situation.

The head retired early.

We didn't move him in the end - things got better but it left a cloud and I do regret not giving him a fresh start. The problem was that the alternative was a very small school where there were problems over who was in which class so it would have been out of the proverbial frying pan. However, even when the dust settled, DS did not trust anyone so ended up a bit lonely.

If you do decide to give your DD a fresh start, be aware that other children are having problems, and if they are not being dealt with, they will probably move too, so she may not be all that friendless. About 1/3 of DS's class left.

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Allatseainthemidlands · 21/06/2016 15:10

The school has an obligation to keep your child safe which it is completely failing to do. Formal complaints to the head teacher, chair of governors and local authority should be made. And move your child. If the school won't protect her, you have to. And good luck. It sounds absolutely awful Flowers

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Out2pasture · 21/06/2016 15:20

I've not read the whole tread, but similar treads come up monthly. Some posters who's children were in similar situations to the OP find success with reporting the incident to the police. No harm in taking it up a level.

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starry0ne · 21/06/2016 15:36

some posters who's children were in similar situations to the OP find success with reporting the incident to the police.

The children here are 5 .How is this a police matter?

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BishopBrennansArse · 21/06/2016 15:36

Could be problematic bearing in mind age of criminal responsibility is 10 and these particular children are 4-5.
Therefore going down the appropriate channels would probably be most effective as I've stated before.

Ofsted and the police aren't appropriate at the minute.

Or the OP can move their child.

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LC01 · 21/06/2016 15:45

OP, this sounds very similar to what was happening in my DD's class and to her. Unfortunately, the situation went on far too long as no one wanted to gossip about this child and was too scare to be labled as a disablist. My daughter ended up in A&E once. The school only seemed to take any action when the girl in question started to bite, kick, push and throw chairs at the teachers and TAs - all the things the girl was doing to the children! It's now better as the child pretty much has a dedicated member of staff wherever she goes, and they don't out her in situations where she kick-off. My daughter avoids her now, which is a shame, but she knows if she gets close, she could become the target when things kick off. I wish you and your daughter luck in getting this sorted.

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/06/2016 15:50

Wow that sounds so healthy and such a nurturing inclusive environment for that child

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/06/2016 15:51

People seriously need to read this is my child and get their mindsets away from discussing 5 year olds like hannibal lecter in a prison.

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uhoh1973 · 21/06/2016 15:55

I really feel for the OP. Is her child being kept healthy and nurtured by the school? Doesnt sound like it.

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HSMMaCM · 21/06/2016 16:03

They absolutely must have a safeguarding policy. Whether the other child is male/female/SEN/NT/5 or 50 they have a duty to protect your child.

I work with EYFS children and safeguarding is a top priority.

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snowy508601 · 21/06/2016 16:06

My Dsis had exactly this problem with her twins and a child who was extremely violent and disruptive even with 1:1 .Eventually my dsis and another parent in the class becausem governors purely to try and get this child removed.Even though this kid was having a measureable effect on the academic performance and terrifying the class, that was not enough!! They had to construct a case that this child's were not being met to force her out.

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BishopBrennansArse · 21/06/2016 16:09

LC01 and uhoh
Please stop being disablist.

I completely agree that all children should be happy and feel safe at school.
The OP's child hasn't been safeguarded adequately in this way.

The reason for this is because the adults who are supposed to be meeting the needs of all the children are failing to meet the needs of a 4-5 year old boy aren't meeting those needs. This means the OP's child and other children are being injured and upset. This is not acceptable.

All the time posters like you two blame a small child who may or may not have SEND - whether he does or not isn't actually relevant - we WILL call you on it. Because you are being disablist. We will report and it's likely you will be deleted.

Not being allowed to 'gossip' (read witch hunt) is also the appropriate response too because you are demonising, excluding and being unpleasant about a child who actually isn't responsible for the situation in the first place.

I really, really don't want the OP's thread derailed. But I won't tolerate disablism. I think I've tried to help to the best of my ability throughout this thread despite extreme provocation from disablist posters.

Will those posters please stop the derailing?

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BishopBrennansArse · 21/06/2016 16:11

Snowy are you really saying two individuals abused their power to ensure a child was excluded from education?
If I'd been the parent I'd have consulted sendist and taken legal action.

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/06/2016 16:13

They sound like lovely people eh.

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MarklahMarklah · 21/06/2016 16:14

My DD is in reception and they have several SEN children in the school. The school employs safeguarding from day one. I would be escalating concerns to the board of governors/Local Authority if I was experiencing what you are.

I wonder if your school has a good parent group? If so, is it possible you can chat to the child's parent(s)/carer(s) in an informal setting? It may be that with some intervention on their part (as in them speaking to the child) they may be able to limit or control some of the behaviours?

It is certainly in no way appropriate that your DD is being asked to modify her behaviour to compensate for a lack of appropriate safeguarding.

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Lonnysera · 21/06/2016 16:15

Snowy508601 "forced out"? Seriously, imagine if that was YOUR own child? Wouldn't you want better inclusive support? Not parents petitioning governors to remove your child!

I really really despair!

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whiteDragon · 21/06/2016 16:24

They had to construct a case that this child's were not being met to force her out.

Shock - how horrible to force a child out and to make them feel unwelcome.

If the child needs really couldn't be met there - I'd expect the parents of that child and the school would have been all over that situation no need to try and force another child out.

In my DS case - he the one with dyspraxia- not known then - the other child was NT as far as I know. Other children in class who had 1:1 and children I know who later had diagnosis weren't an issue for my DS. More importantly if the adults who witnessed the behaviour upsetting my DS had done something - separated the children, distracted one let my DS cool off not have to deal with other child all day there wouldn't have been an issue. It was all about the adults not managing the situation adequately.

That school generally was very good with managing behaviour - that teacher really wasn't.

I think the OP had a bigger problem than us because it doesn't sound like her school is good at this. I don't think it's going to help her to try and demonised another 5 year old her focus needs to be on how the school is keeping her child safe.

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ItWasNeverASkirt · 21/06/2016 16:30

I'd move her to another school if possible.

Regardless of the other child's behaviour, it doesn't sound like a good school that's able to manage problems in a constructive way. You'll be better elsewhere.

I'd also complain to Ofsted. Violence is serious and they have failed to protect your daughter or address your (completely reasonable) concerns.

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 21/06/2016 19:14

Eventually my dsis and another parent in the class becausem governors purely to try and get this child removed.Even though this kid was having a measureable effect on the academic performance and terrifying the class, that was not enough!! They had to construct a case that this child's were not being met to force her out.

I really want to believe I've just read this incorrectly. I haven't have I?

Here's an idea, although I'm not sure you deserve one. Why not become a governor and educate themselves about SEN or behaviour issues. Rather than construct a case about how a child's needs aren't being met, do something useful and hold the school to account for not meeting the needs of all the children in it.

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Lonnysera · 21/06/2016 19:19

It's breathtakingly awful isn't it? And the poster has clearly posted this as an example of what caring parents have to do to protect their children from kids with special needs.

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OhtoblazeswithElvira · 21/06/2016 19:28

starry a child is being regularly assaulted and the people who are supposed to look after her choose to let it happen. It's neglect and involving the police seems logical to me tbh

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IoraRua · 21/06/2016 19:43

They're not meeting your child's basic needs, OP. The right to be safe is fundamental. The fact that there's no signs they're trying to keep her safe is not good. Regardless of whether the problematic behaviour is sen based or not, they don't seem to be trying.
Honestly, I would move her - she is very young still and would easily settle into a new class.

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