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Fuming - friend lying where she lives to keep DC at local school

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ukgirlatheart · 23/08/2015 16:37

One of the mums has moved out of the area with her boyfriend, they have bought a house together but atm has kept hers to rent out once she has secured her 2 x DC's school places at local school (she has used address).

Im annoyed as she was telling me laughing at it, it isn't right at all in my opinion, when I suggested this she said well tough my kids are getting these places

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WildStallions · 23/08/2015 16:39

Why do you care?

wankerchief · 23/08/2015 16:39

So ring the L.A. and gross her up if it bothers you that much

Todayisnottheday · 23/08/2015 16:43

I thought the address was the one they lived at when the application went in?

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ukgirlatheart · 23/08/2015 16:43

I care because Im sat here reading on other threads how upset people cant get their kids into their own catchment school as people like this mum is taking up places plus she was laughing about it! I expressed my thoughts. I hadn't realised people actually did this

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ukgirlatheart · 23/08/2015 16:44

it is the address they live at but she is using her empty house address for the application she told me

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Bellebella · 23/08/2015 16:46

Well if it is the better school then you can see why she is doing it. Plenty of people do.

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ukgirlatheart · 23/08/2015 16:48

no that's the thing the school in her new area is good not as good as this one but good.

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MrsLeighHalfpenny · 23/08/2015 16:49

I'd be tempted myself, if alternative school was pants. Would you honestly send your kids to a crap school if you had a way not to, such as owning a recently lived in property in a different catchment area?

Bellebella · 23/08/2015 16:51

Well there you go, it's good but not as good. She has a way of sending her children to a better school and is using it. What does she care what people are thinking? Her children will be in a better school and that is more important to her.

meditrina · 23/08/2015 16:54

Depending on the exact timelines, and the rules laid down by the LA for moves after applications deadline/offers, she might not have broken the rules at all.

Or is this for an application in the next round?

If you have evidence of what might be rule breaking, then report to the LA. The school allocations system can be Byzantine, but it sure as hell isn't improved by cheating (if, and it is if, that's what is going on here).

prh47bridge · 23/08/2015 17:35

As Meditrina says, whether or not she is doing anything wrong depends on when she moved and when she applied. Without those details it is impossible to tell for sure whether any rules are being broken. However, the impression I have from your OP is that she will be applying for her children to start school next year (or possibly even further into the future). If that is what is happening it is clearly against the rules and you should report her to the LA.

nlondondad · 23/08/2015 17:36

I agree with meditrina.

report the facts, as you know them to the LA, and let them sort out whether, actually, the rules have been broken.

Tolerating cheating, in theend, harms everyone.

if they have NOT been cheating well the LA will clear them.

MirandaWest · 23/08/2015 17:41

Are the children already at school there? Or has she applied for them to start in September? Or will she apply in the future? If she's renting it out and hasn't applied yet, she could have a problem if the tenant who moves in also wants to apply for the school.

JassyRadlett · 23/08/2015 17:46

She has a way of sending her children to a better school and is using it.

By committing fraud.

Many of us have a way of getting extra money to have better holidays by lying to our employers. That's fraud too, and is generally frowned upon.

Those who have the means to 'play the system' are generally those whose kids have better life chances anyway. Pretty shit for the kids who miss out because of fraudulent school applications from those who own properties or have the means to pay high rents short term near 'good' schools....

BabyGanoush · 23/08/2015 17:50

Really? Reporting on her? As we are in some kind of police state?

Why is it your business anyway?

Itshouldntmatter · 23/08/2015 18:03

BabyGanoush if you knew someone had committed murder would you report them? It is an extreme example, but if you said know, I wo think you had little regard for or responsibility towards society and the common good. What the OP is talking about is something that is against the rules and something which may negatively affect someone else. It may not be something you would personally chose to report, but I personally don't think it is unreasonable for her to consider reporting something that is against the law.

Itshouldntmatter · 23/08/2015 18:04

No not know!!!!!

Mintyy · 23/08/2015 18:10

BabyGanoush, don't be ridiculous! It is nothing to do with being in a police state. Perhaps you don't have the imagination to know what it is like to be unable to secure a place for your children in your local school when you know full well that others, who lives much further away, are lying about their address in order to queue jump.

VivaLeBeaver · 23/08/2015 18:15

I'm amazed that people seem to think is is fine.....especially when on MN most people seem to have such a well tuned moral compass about other stuff.

Dd missed out on a Grammar school due to shit like this and now goes to a shit school with a 39% gcse pass rate. I'm sure the twat parents who lied on their application forms never give a second thought to kids like my dd who they fucked over. Total cunts.

BabyGanoush · 23/08/2015 18:16

Murder is a crime, sticking to an adress slightly longer to keep a school place is not a crime.

Unethical yes. Not in accordance with LEA rules, yes. A criminal offence, no.

Nobody is dead, you know

Itshouldntmatter · 23/08/2015 18:17

Fraud is a crime.

BabyGanoush · 23/08/2015 18:18

Try calling the police then, and see if you can get them convicted

SoupDragon · 23/08/2015 18:21

I always wonder what the people who think this is OK would feel if it was their child who missed out on a place because of a fraudulent application. I suspect there would be less "I don't blame her" and "why do you care" from them then.

Mintyy · 23/08/2015 18:21

You were the one who brought up "police state" ffs!

Itshouldntmatter · 23/08/2015 18:23

There are obviously different degrees. Personally, people who fare dodge annoy me. People who think their own little 'cheats' are clever because they haven't got caught and it is a 'victimless' crime. It isn't a major offence, but it does affect people. It puts up prices for those who are honest.

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