Intimate care for reception age?

[onionlove]

Hiya everyone, quick question, my son did a messy poo at school and his TA rang me at work to clean him as she said she wasn't allowed to, does that sound right? I cant find a policy on their website, I work 1/2 hour away so my lovely neighbour went to him for me, I want to speak to school about it as I'm not happy but not sure what approach to take?

I guess it depends if the child needs a change of clothes and if there are staff available to deal with it. If there is just a teacher with a class then does the teacher quickly take the child to the office so office can call the parent or does the teacher go hunting for spare clothing, clean up said child and leave the class unattended. It's a bit different if it's urine and easier to deal with.

If it was a male teacher with a female pupil I wonder if people would feel that the teacher should be dealing with intimate care.

There was another thread by a student teacher who was having issues with a kid not putting his shoes on and the overwhelming consensus was that she shouldn't be having to put his shoes on for him, so cleaning up a child after an accident seems a bit unreasonable.

Sparing, there are other reasons apart from additional needs. And as I said, it might be that there are additional needs but no-one is aware that there is an issue.

Leaving a child in soiled clothes isn't an option

Private schools must follow EYFS (unless granted an exemption)

Our reception teachers and TAs regularly have to change children after accidents and yes, we have had children in nappies though almost all of those have had some form of SN.

We only call parents if a child cannot be cleaned sufficiently using wet wipes, water and tissues; or if a child is ill and needs to go home. Whilst we have a large changing table we do not have hot (only warm) water in the toilets and no shower. Calls to a parent because of not being able to clean them up is rare - once or twice a year maybe at most.

It is very unusual for our school for teachers and TAs outside of eyfs to have to deal with accidents, and it is normally only wet ones then - unless it is a child in nappies due to SN.

And yes, independent schools have to follow the same rules for eyfs. The independent schools I know have never refused a child due to toileting issues and have all dealt with toilet accidents in eyfs

I'm more shocked that any setting/school (private or otherwise) would still discriminate on the basis or bowel and bladder control than I am about a 4 year old not using the toilet.

Sparing - your school is breaking the law.

In my school, depending on the age of the child, they would either be given support to clean themselves and be provided with clean clothes to change into. With the younger children, as much help as they need is provided, and parents would only be phoned if it was diahorrea, or if the child was so covered that they needed a full shower.

At my school Nursery and Reception teachers and TAs clean up children who've had accidents. We don't have any in nappies but we do have some persistent pants pooers. Ideally you encourage/direct a child to clean themselves up but if necessary we have gloves and wet wipes - we have even used a shower on occasion.

At our school they would simply clean them up and carry on. We would find out at pick up unless they were ill. I work an hour away !

I believe they do this in dd reception. I heard a parent talking about a similar incident.

Maybe they thought he was starting a stomach bug and wanted to send him home before it spread?

Asking a parent to collect an unwell child is very different to saying they aren't allowed to clean up a child who has had a toileting accident

Just remembered, my dc teacher told me they would rather dc had an accident, than be in pain/uncomfortable so they could fully engage and get on with learning rather than worry and sit on the toilet worrying. Teacher also said it's very common for 4 year olds to have accidents and it's absolutely no trouble to clean them up discreetly. But then my dc class is less than 26 kids with one teacher and two TA's sometimes 3.

In that case sparing my daughter would have been in the nursery until she was 8

"It's perfectly likely that they wouldn't have wetwipes etc available to clean up kids adequately"

Whereas a working parent called out of meetings will have all the necessary equipment stashed in their car? Or the child should wait 30 mins plus covered in poo and then walk to parent's car,still soiled, and be transported in the parent's car, still covered in poo? This is nonsense. Our infants has a disabled loo and first aid room which is perfect for this. And a stash of spare pants etc. My 8 year old can sort out her own accidents with fairly minimal facilities so I'm really confident a YR TA could manage. It's grim, admittedly, but them's the breaks when working with 4 year olds surely and gloves should be supplied. There is no alternative that cares adequately for the child.

OP Www.eric.org.uk has some campaign stuff on this I think, it might be part of 'right to go'.

I dread to think what your private school would do with my DD and her incontinence issues Sparing. As is pretty normal with her difficulties, she was not fully diagnosed until Y1. Goodness knows what damage would have been done by the shame of having to stay down a year (or two?!) because of her toiletting.

my DS too FiveGoMad - on movicol from age 2 until halfway through y2. Fortunately, the school we chose was more enlightened about children with bladder and bowel problems, and the help from DS's reception/Y1 teacher and TA was key to solving them. Thank goodness for the state sector.

I have a child in my reception class who regularly soils. I encourage him to clean himself up - standing outside the toilet cubicle and passing tissues/clean clothes etc as necessary. We have only called his parents once, and that was when it happened at Forest School and parents collecting would be quicker than walking him back to school.

My only real problem with it is the logistics, as I am often the only adult in the reception class, and the rest of the class have to be unsupervised whilst I help a child who has had an accident.

Agree oakmaiden as a reception teacher I've often been the only adult with 30 kids

It makes me twitchy...

He wasn't sent home ill he stayed until I picked him from after school club, he was ok as he was cleaned up by my friend I'm going to ask them tomorrow to see their policy, if it says they wont help him clean up at least I can talk to him about it and put some wipes and spare clothes on his peg at school, this sort of thing should be in the school brochure to prepare parents shouldn't it, I wonder what they would have done if no one could get to him, just leave him? When my friend got there he was crying for me, makes me so angry, thanks again for replies x

Google EYFS continence policy ...

times have changed, my dcs had to be toilet trained before starting play group at 2.9 months and the tookds at 2.5 on the same basis. why are dc in nappies at 5, totally understand SN but otherwise.

did work at reception lunchtimes but was never expected to do that. one dc wet herself so I got her dry clothing.

Sorry everyone, I may have inadvertently misled you, he's not in nappies, he has been toilet trained for over two years, but without getting graphic I don't think he looked at his legs and his back and realised he had made such a mess, he went back in class and sat down and then teacher noticed poo on his t-shirt