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Bringing back the old hymns?

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ontosecondary · 02/10/2014 21:37

I'm part of a music team in a large state primary. We do Singup which is good but does feature a fair number of songs about apostrophes and sentiments such as "it's you, it's me, it's us that makes community".

We are not church school and I'm an atheist.

I feel that, in this day and age, we ought to be able to re-introduce some of the old hymns on the grounds that they are (i) great music and (ii) have lyrics that hint at life not always being rosy

I'm thinking of suggesting it to my colleagues. Ironically they are Christians and so it would need to come from me so as not to seem like a church-school-by-the-back-door thing.

Hymns I remember and miss include:
He who would valliant be
When a Knight won his spurs
All Things Bright and Beautiful
Give me joy in my heart keep me singing (etc)

Hymns I remember and would not foist on the innocent include:
There is a Green Hill Far Away
and anything else that's massively into the whole crucifixion details....

anyway, I wondered what people thought, and if you could nominate some hymns you wish you still heard. It's odd that we keep the Christmas Carols but not the rest of the year hymns.

cheers.

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ontosecondary · 09/10/2014 11:29

"Weird bias I know, but there we are, I suppose I consider the latter to be culturally important in the same way that Shakespeare is and your average Mills & Boons is not."

I have also been thinking about the Shakespeare analogy.

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ontosecondary · 09/10/2014 11:34

I think that, provided crowd control is working, customisation of lyrics is a very positive sign.

I am thinking about doing We Three Kings with Year 3 and pretending-not-to-allow the scooter version. What do you think?
They will be a bit annoyed because they are desperate to start the ukulele.

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ontosecondary · 09/10/2014 11:36

Also O come All Ye Faithful is Why are we Waiting and that helped me teach it to orchestra a couple of years ago... it's the alternative version they leave singing which is fine. The original (or the Latin) can lurk in the background....

What I like about that is that it brings humour into something that could come across as dour.

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ontosecondary · 09/10/2014 11:36

can anyone think of other non-nasty alternative lyrics to hymns

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ontosecondary · 09/10/2014 11:44

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GormlessNormTheGardenGnome · 09/10/2014 12:42

I have to concentrate really hard to not sing All things bright and beautiful, All creatures grunt and smell.
And then I get the giggles and can't sing anymore.
Really looking forward to harvest festival next week. Not. I instantly regress to 11 years old.

Frikadellen · 09/10/2014 13:09

They do a mixture at my youngest primary (c o e)
I love it especially when dd3can sing along at church

singinggirl · 09/10/2014 13:20

Alternative lyrics have always been popular with church choirs too, especially if they include children. So we used to have 'onward Christian soldiers, hear the organ roar, lest the congregation reach the end before' and 'All for Jesus' is very hard not to sing as 'Awful cheeses'. (Along with a beautiful Christmas anthem 'A spotless rose' which was always 'A snotless nose' ).

ToniWol · 10/10/2014 09:00

Re alternative lyrics - 'Most highly favoured lady' in The Angel Gabriel is always 'Most highly flavoured gravy' for us. Plus it's always a bit of a disappointment if we don't get to use Ilkley Moor for While Shepherds Watched.

Ontosecondary - The O Come All Ye Faithful/Why are we waiting link came in very handy at a December wedding a couple of years ago when the organist was improvising before the service. The bride was about 30 minutes late!

ErrolTheDragon · 10/10/2014 13:04

Sometimes you don't even need alternative lyrics, just a homophonetic interpretation. My DM once attended some sort of church lunch which was a very meagre slice of pie(it wasn't supposed to be a 'hunger lunch'), after which they sang a hymn which included this verse:

We thank thee Lord that thou hast kept the best in store,
We have enough, yet not too much to long for more,
A yearning for a deeper piece not known before.

ontosecondary · 10/10/2014 15:55

lol Errol

I think that sort of amusing thing is also really good for development of their language skills. Much better than songs about punctuation.....

Frikadellen - come to think of it - we are quite a churchy town and 10% of families attend church... might be useful to check out which of our churches are still singing the old hymns.

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ontosecondary · 09/11/2014 17:02

Hope people don't mind an update.

As the carols hadn't been entirely lost to us, I kicked off by getting the staff to sing Hark the Herald (trying in vain not to out myself) to the children and it was absolutely fab. only a couple of men singing but their voices added a lovely "cushion" to the sound. About 10 parents came and sang too.

I will be teaching the children to play it on their instruments so saying "please sing it to the children so they know how it goes" felt very simple and natural and uncontroversial and we didn't need to rehearse because it was just "in us" from our childhoods.

Anyone else want to talk about their carolling this Advent?

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