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2014 SATs Level 6 percentages

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PiqueABoo · 28/08/2014 19:52

The DfE relased some 2014 SATs results data today which for the most part mysteriously shows significant improvements in the last set we'll see before the general election. I worked out some percentages for 2013 which looked like this:

Reading: 0.4%
Maths: 6.5%
SPaG: 1.6%

I haven't taken as much care to remove this and that handful of children from the total eligible in 2014, but they look like this:

Reading: 0.15%
Maths: 8.9%
SPaG: 3.8%

I expected them all to go up but although there were more pupils the tiny number passing L6 Reading got significantly tinier (851 this year, 2178 last year).

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mrz · 29/08/2014 19:10

State schools are free to use any tests they wish but that doesn't make them state tests.

StillWishihadabs · 29/08/2014 19:16

Just because it's not universal ? It is administered by the county council, which is part of the government.

mrz · 29/08/2014 19:47

No not because it isn't universal - CEM for example is administered by Durham University ...The County Council isn't part of the "state" National government StillWishihadabs - it's local government completely different.

StillWishihadabs · 29/08/2014 19:55

Well round here it is very much within the state system.

SeagullsAndSand · 29/08/2014 19:59

Interestingly re CEM it is supposed to be based more on what they do in state primary schools in content.

Hakluyt · 29/08/2014 20:11

Schools are not allowed to prepare children for the 11+.

Is that your gripe?

mrz · 29/08/2014 20:14

StillWishihadabs because something is used within the state system doesn't make it a state examination..

CEM is The Centre for Evaluation and Monitoring at Durham University theyproduce and administer a number of "tests" from ASPECTS for nursery children to post 16 ...

StillWishihadabs · 29/08/2014 20:45

I have no gripe. School is very supportive.....it's the other parents.

PiqueABoo · 29/08/2014 21:50

"Well if all children aren't making appropriate progress based on their ability "

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I don't know how you keep a straight face when you say this kind of thing, but perhaps you don't?

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mrz · 29/08/2014 22:00

It's very easy to keep a straight face when that's what happens

spanieleyes · 29/08/2014 22:23

All of my children made a minimum of 12 points progress in reading and writing this year and all bar one did the same in maths( she went from a 3 to a 5 but not the 12 points. ) the average points progress overall was 15.2 with one child making 28 points in writing. My statemented child made 12 points in writing and maths, 14 points in reading.
The point is that ALL children must make progress and as much as possible. Teaching doesn't stop after 12 points progress has been made, each child must be supported( and not pushed ) to reach their potential, whether that is level 2,3,4,5,6 or 7.

tiggytape · 29/08/2014 22:36

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sanfairyanne · 29/08/2014 22:37

oh i wish that was true in all schools, spanieleyes

PiqueABoo · 29/08/2014 22:51

@mrz, so what is "appropriate progress" for my DD? I think she was 2a or possibly 2b's at the end of KS1.

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@spanieleyes: "The point is that ALL children must make progress and as much as possible"

In a perfect world. Some of you might do that and hurrah if you do, but I think that's a long way from being common practise.

I'm really not being too optimistic in believing DD could have gone way past L6 in maths, but progress in that was capped by teaching and assessment ceilings throughout KS2 and L6 is that single-form school's maximum. Still it's not that long since that maximum was L5, so L6 is an improvement and a higher level would only make imminent secondary even more 'interesting'.

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mrz · 30/08/2014 06:52

Unless she's entering Y3 next week what level she was in Y2 isn't important her progress should be based on where she is now. Her teachers need to look at what she can do now and what she needs to learn to move onto the next step.

If she is in Y3? Then the teacher should be looking to see what she can do in the Y3 maths programme ... If she's already achieved these then look at the next years programme ... There should be no cap and every child should be challenged

mrz · 30/08/2014 07:10

OFSTED recognised that some schools have been "coasting" achieving national expectations with little effort because of catchment area and parental support so the inspection progress was changed to clamp down on poor practice, which is why some "outstanding" schools suddenly found themselves requiring improvement

SeagullsAndSand · 30/08/2014 07:11

So parental involvement,a child's attitude or outside tutoring have no impact on progress?

Good progress is always down to the school and the school alone?

2 or 3 less than great teachers within a 7 year primary education won't have any impact on a child's longterm progress from entry to leaving?

If kids had a weak KS1 with weak KS1 Sats they aren't forever a millstone round their neck?

Sorry that is a crock.

SeagullsAndSand · 30/08/2014 07:15

The fact that most Ofsted's are decided on data before they even arrive give me very little confidence in a Ofsted tbf.

SeagullsAndSand · 30/08/2014 07:26

How does Ofsted differentiation between the progress which is solely down to school and that which is due to outside influences?

mrz · 30/08/2014 08:07

Perhaps you should read what I wrote SeagullsAndSand OFSTED recognise some schools have been taking credit for parents hard work and have been "coasting" ..new inspections look at catchment parental engagement and inspectors spend time with children for example hearing readers and asking their views of how they are challenged

Hakluyt · 30/08/2014 08:14

And anyway, OFSTED observe a lot of teaching. You don't get good results with crap teaching. And not making sufficient progress is the reason many schools are being marked down.

Which is fantastic- except for schools like my ds's, which has a tiny % of higher ability kids and a high % that just aren't capable of the nationally expected levels of progress. So levels of achievement which are fantastic for our children are not good enough for OFSTED.........Sad

SeagullsAndSand · 30/08/2014 08:16

Not very scientific though is it.I'm sure there is much you can put on paper but reality is v different.

My dc's extension literacy group(which started when Ofsted was due)and guided reading sessions ended the min Ofsted sailed up the road and said school moved out of Satisfactory.

I feel we're hijacking the op a tad.

SeagullsAndSand · 30/08/2014 08:19

Hak Ofsted take a snapshot,it is easy to pull a dream lesson out of the bag.We've all seen less than great teachers do it.

I also think it's not so much crap teaching as crap expectations sometimes.

Hakluyt · 30/08/2014 08:21

That's why Dover Grammar school went for Outstanding to Requires Improvement in 2013 despite over 90% A*-C.............

mrz · 30/08/2014 08:57

Perhaps you need to update your knowledge of how OFSTED conduct inspections SeagullsAndSand. Judgements aren't made on "outstanding" lessons that some teachers pulled out of the cupboard for the inspector ... Lessons are no longer graded! Schools have to produce evidence of progress over time.