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2014 SATs Level 6 percentages

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PiqueABoo · 28/08/2014 19:52

The DfE relased some 2014 SATs results data today which for the most part mysteriously shows significant improvements in the last set we'll see before the general election. I worked out some percentages for 2013 which looked like this:

Reading: 0.4%
Maths: 6.5%
SPaG: 1.6%

I haven't taken as much care to remove this and that handful of children from the total eligible in 2014, but they look like this:

Reading: 0.15%
Maths: 8.9%
SPaG: 3.8%

I expected them all to go up but although there were more pupils the tiny number passing L6 Reading got significantly tinier (851 this year, 2178 last year).

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teacherwith2kids · 29/08/2014 17:10

Seagull,

I do know a child for whom GCSE maths would not have been a stretch at 11, and who attended A-level equivalent maths classes (sometimes through video links) in year 7. Believe it or not, provision is made for able children....

SeagullsAndSand · 29/08/2014 17:13

Really Hak you need to ask?GrinI suggest you read a few threads and newspapers.

Hakluyt · 29/08/2014 17:19

I have never seen any posts which suggest that able children being taught to their ability is tantamount to child abuse. I have seen a lot of posts saying that's what other people think..........l.

SeagullsAndSand · 29/08/2014 17:25

Well sorry Hak I have,so there you go.

teacherwith2kids · 29/08/2014 17:37

Seagull, could you link to some?

The closest I can think of are arguments against coaching a child excessively hard out of school for the 11+, especially if of borderline ability - and that is, after all, out of school, so scarcely an argument that teaching children in school to their ability is close to child abuse?

mrz · 29/08/2014 17:37

Provision is made for all children regardless of ability or we wouldn't be doing our jobs.

teacherwith2kids · 29/08/2014 17:40

I think the point Seagull is making, mrz, is that teachers AREN'T doing their jobs - I think, most specifically, because her specific school has not, in her view, coached her child sufficiently for the cem 11+ in her area....

Hakluyt · 29/08/2014 17:42

Ah!
Do I hear the sound of axes being ground?

mrz · 29/08/2014 17:45

If she has a problem with her school she should have raised it ... and the whole point of the CEM test is that kids shouldn't need coaching for it which is why they don't produce practice papers.

PiqueABoo · 29/08/2014 17:46

It's only two years since the Sutton Trust released their report on high ability children and one years since Ofted released their(not) 'landmark' report and neither of them painted a rosy picture of the provision for these children. Yes some schools have long done it well, but the evidence we have says that is not true of the majority and it won't have changed overnight.

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SeagullsAndSand · 29/08/2014 17:46

Absolute rubbish Teachers.I have plenty of friends still teaching doing a fab job and we don't do CEM in our area thanks.

If you're going to quote from other threads(which I thought we weren't supposed to do) I was simply pointing out that all schools aren't the same.Therefor kids don't start on a level playing field as regards the 11+ so berating a poster for wanting to do some CEM prep was unjustified.Hmm

PiqueABoo · 29/08/2014 17:49

I read that the Bucks CEM has apparently had some interesting effects: compared to their previous arrangements the prep schools etc. have done better with it and state school children worse.

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mrz · 29/08/2014 17:50

All homes aren't the same, all kids aren't the same and all parents aren't the same so it will never be a level playing field ...

Telling a poster that the CEM test isn't supported by practice papers and that no old tests are available is berating them?

teacherwith2kids · 29/08/2014 17:50

Sorry Seagulls, was this not you?
"The teaching that I've done(and he should have done in school) has been hugely beneficial eg literacy terms,extended essay writing,different types of writing,a shed load of maths concepts,reading comp strategies....."

"VR and non VR I had no expectations re school coverage but sorry re reading comp,maths content for the brightest and literacy I do have expectations which weren't met and are in other schools.Actually maths wasn't so bad they covered some of the aspects in the last few weeks."

I apologise if you were not referring to CEM - it was a thread on CEM and I am aware that the CEM papers are wider ranging than other 11+s so had conflated the two. So re-read my post, omitting the acronym 'CEM' which I apoligise for getting wrong.

SeagullsAndSand · 29/08/2014 17:52

And no you don't Hak.

We all know what the aim of CEM is.The fact is there are plenty of CEM materials out there- CPG,Bond etc,you can prep for any test and for many kids if will be needed and justified.

teacherwith2kids · 29/08/2014 17:53

I would still be interested in links to threads which say that teaching a child, in school, to their ability (especially if of high ability) is tantamount to child abuse?

SeagullsAndSand · 29/08/2014 17:56

Mrz I think you need to read all the posts on that thread.

Teacher why exactly?

teacherwith2kids · 29/08/2014 17:56

And Seagulls, i am genuinely sorry if your able child's school is not teaching themn well. As Pique says, good provision for the able is not universal, and i have been in your shoes - it isn't pleasant. I am only objecting to the tarring of an entire sector based on experience of a single school.

I do also think that there was, in the past, much more focus on e.g the 3-4 borderline in some schools. The new Ofsted focus on progress for all gropups of children has really tightened up on that and I would say IME it is now uncommon.

SeagullsAndSand · 29/08/2014 17:56

Sorry not going through years of old threads thanks.

thelmachicken · 29/08/2014 17:57

I think I understand what you are saying seagulls.
In our area the grammar schools set their pass mark based on the cohort who have taken the entrance exam each year.
So a child who has had coaching is advantaged over a child who has had no coaching, even when the children have the same underlying ability.

teacherwith2kids · 29/08/2014 17:57

Lnks to threads - because you have said they exist. And as a long-time poster here, Ican't think of any, certainly not enought to make it 'a general view' ... so as a good scientist I was looking for evidence....

SeagullsAndSand · 29/08/2014 17:58

That is reassuring Teacher.The cynic in me however thinks there are some that can talk the talk for Ofsted and rely on intake.

SeagullsAndSand · 29/08/2014 18:02

Thel no it was more that if your kid comes from a school that really pushes the brightest and gets outstanding levels for literacy/numeracy those doing an exam focusing on literacy/numeracy will have an advantage.Therefore doing some prep at home for some is necessary in order to gave a fair crack of the whip.

Teacher I really don't have the time,it would take hours.I'm a very,very old MNer believe me such posts do exist. We'll have to agree to disagree.

TheWordFactory · 29/08/2014 18:07

I think there certainly has been an issue with under avhievemt amongst the most able children. Schools being ranked by how many C grades they got did not help!

StillWishihadabs · 29/08/2014 18:18

I'm with seagulls on this. DS has been doing an hour's work 5 days a week through the summer in preparation for the 11+. Some other parents certainly do think this is taramount to child abuse. I also agree about immigrants and ethnic minorities finding it more acceptable to push able dcs.