Year 4 end of year levels

[BetweenDogandWolf]

Inspired by the end of year 1 thread and yes, I know academic auccess isn't everything etc I'm just wondering what MNetters DC have achieved, which I expect will generally be above the national average!
DS:
Maths 4A
Writing 3A
Science 4B
Reading 4B

It's a bit off putting when everyone posting has above average children which is why these threads are never representative.

As a Year 6 teacher I would not believe Level 4s in Year 4 unless they sat a Year 6 SATs paper. Over the last three years I have had a number of children enter my class with a so called Level 4 or 5 and when given a Year 6 SATs paper to try, they fall hard! The QCA papers are so much easier than a Year 6 paper. I just hope you wont be disappointed when they leave Year 6 with a Level 5 or 4.

Sorry to burst bubbles here!

And the sample papers for 2016 look ferocious!

Are they already up spanieleyes?

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/328886/2014_KS2_mathematics_sample_materials.pdf

www.gov.uk/government/publications/2016-key-stage-2-english-grammar-punctuation-and-spelling-test-sample-questions-mark-scheme-and-commentary

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/328881/2014_KS2_English_reading_sample_materials.pdf

Not fun!

Thank you!

They are awful...A great deal of expectation for people so young!

Op these threads are wonderful it brings together parents who want to share their dc results.

To long has there been a divide and conquer rule - were we are kept in the dark and have no idea what the next person is doing.

for those that want to share - share for those that dont....why the need to comment?

but you don't know what the next person is doing GobbolinoCat only a select few who are doing much better than the majority of children in England. A very inaccurate picture of the actual situation.

only a select few

As far as I am aware, Mrz, there is no selection process of your children when you join MN and as far as I am aware from reading all sorts of threads the ability of posters children is vast.

I take MN threads on grades as I find them and I prefer too find them, than have them silenced.

I think its shameful when people try and close down discussion like this....

A very inaccurate picture of the actual situation

no one ever has accurate pictures of situations! better than no picture at all.

I am always amused at these threads because everyone has such hugh levels

4b is the expected level at the end of year 6.

dcs reports have belowaverage /average/above average etc etc so that you can guage where they are compare to their peers (nationally)

4a would get you 'working significantly above average for his age.'

I don't think level 5 is genius, but it is certainly in the top few % of population

And I don't think anyone is trying to "shut the discussion down" just try to add a note of realism that the levels quoted ( certainly in this thread) are not your average year 4 levels across the country!!

Well there are 36 posts on this thread GobbilinoCat (only 5 giving levels) and according to government figures there are currently more than half a million pupils in Y4 (England - state schools) I would say "few" sums it up? and as all those levels are the expected level for the end of KS2 (Y6) it appears they aren't "average" pupils ... I'm sorry if you find that difficult to understand
No one is trying to close down these threads just trying to put it all into perspective or can't you see that for parents of children who may not be achieving such levels it may cause worry.

no one ever has accurate pictures of situations! better than no picture at all. a false picture is a false picture and is no use to anyone

As another year 6 teacher, I would like to say that the level isn't going to make a jot of difference come September. We are all going to have to raise our expectations as the new curriculum is challenging to say the least. Despite just completing assessments across the school, all the children except Yr 6 and 2 are going to be baselined against the new curriculum. Children who look to be doing very well at the moment could well be just at expectations or possibly below

We are doing the same jellycake

That's interesting, jelly. Is that because the new curriculum emphasises different things, or is it that the expectations are generally higher?

Some expectations have moved to lower year groups, new expectations have been added and some removed so it's a whole new set of criteria and no levels to assess by.

Can I ask a question about the sats papers? Presumably every child in year 6 sits the year 6 sats paper. Looking at the examples above, what happens to the children who aren't capable of working at this level. Are there 2 levels to the year 6 sats or do children just sit a lower level paper? What happens with children who are capable of doing these problems in year 4, do they get a higher level paper again?

Thanks mrz. Could be very demotivating for some kids to find out that they're suddenly below expectations!

Put it this way, some of the aspects of maths that I have been teaching my more able children in order for them to achieve a level 6, are now in the curriculum for yr 6 and they will be expected to understand them...
Lots of objectives have moved down to earlier years and random objectives like being able to read Roman Numerals have been put in. I learned how to do that in secondary school history but that's Mr Gove for you . May he be permanently locked in a toilet!

The children all sit the same paper, if they aren't able to achieve the old level 3 they weren't entered. I would assume that the system will stay the same in 2016. Lower attainers sit and struggle. At the moment, the more able sit the level 6 paper in addition to the level 3-5 but in 2016 there will be no level 6.

In the current system all children sit tests which cover levels 3-5 and the level is calculated according to government thresholds which change every year. Some children may sit an extra level 6 paper. Children who are working below level 3 are disapplied from the tests.
The tests change in 2016 and pupils will be given a mark rather than a level (as they will no longer exist)

the year 6 sats paper (this year) is a level 3-5 paper. It starts with the level 4 questions and gets harder as you go through. At the end you have a score eg 33/40 and then the government tell you that anyone scoring say 30 and above is level 3, over 34 is level 4 and so on.

If the children are expected to get level 6, they take a second paper which has level 6 questions on it.

The sats exam results just give a level 3, or 4 or 5 etc. There is alongside that a teacher assessment level which is 4a, or 5c etc. The government expects all children (regardless of SEN etc )to get at least a 4b.