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OFSTED idea to fine parents not supporting homework

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PastSellByDate · 18/06/2014 10:10

MN friends

recently read article from Mr. Wilshaw (OFTSED HEAD) suggesting parents who don't support homework should be fined: www.theguardian.com/education/2014/jun/17/schools-fine-parents-ofsted-michael-wilshaw

As you know I am a big fan of homework/ practice of core skills.

I have posted many a time about how I do extra work with my DDs at home because homework at our school/ even sending guided reading books home is a very intermittent thing & the school maths curriculum/ homework is rather a disappointing chaotic affair.

Technically KS2 Upper (Years 5/6) have 2.5 hrs of homework across a week. In practice 2 hours of it is entirely unmonitored reading - and the school no longer sends guided reading books home and the library visits have been literally once a half-term (& because of computer check-out system issues - usually books are not loaned out). The remaining 30 minutes is split between an English task (draw a new cover/ write a blurb for a book/ describe your favourite character/ write a letter to a character - kind of work) and photocopied maths worksheets - usually out of Heinemann maths workbooks. DD1 usually finishes these last two tasks on a Saturday morning before her swim lesson in 10 - 20 minutes.

Here on MN I have recommended websites that through trial and error I've stumbled across and found useful. I've recommended on-line tutorials for maths.

I have asked for help when recently assigned the task of 'You need to work more with your DD1 on the author's use of language' and when I said o.k. could you clarify what you mean exactly; the teachers were unable to define what that meant or give me any suggestions (ever so professional - don't you feel?).

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So my question to OFSTED - is are you going to slam schools that don't meet parents halfway.

Because I was that parent that found extra resources, put in 2-3 hours a week supporting reading/ writing/ maths with a struggling DD1 for 3 years to 'catch her up' with her peers. And without a lick of help from the school.

I am that parent that is saying hey school - shouldn't you be teaching long multiplication/ division to all of Year 5/6?

You came to our school and rated it good on the basis of a school with newly purchased moodle VLE/ My Maths/ Bug Club and all sorts of extra activities/ field trips/ clubs laid on in the run up to your well signalled visit and you haven't even noticed (nor the LEA and this is a state maintained primary) that since you've moved on - all of this has been dropped one by one - and now the school's official policy is that homework is of no benefit in primary school - and thanks to Gove guidance on how much homework should be set (which was by time/ not content) has been entirely removed.

ARE YOU GOING TO BE EQUALLY FIRM WITH SCHOOLS WHO FAIL TO SUPPORT LEARNING IN SCHOOL/ AT HOME?

DO YOU EVEN EXAMINE HOW LONG THESE IMPRESSIVE SYSTEMS (DEFINITELY PURCHASED TO IMPRESS YOU NOT US PARENTS) HAVE BEEN IN USE AND HOW EFFECTIVELY THEY ARE IN USE - i.e. don't just see the one person who has been trained to use Moodle, but check if it is actively being used across all years?

Or is it just about slamming State Maintained schools to force them to join the academy band wagon?

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insanityscatching · 20/06/2014 12:31

But Past from what you say it isn't what I would understand to be homework that you are doing with your daughter you are effectively teaching her what she is unable to learn in school whether that's because of poor organisation, planning, teaching or the disruptive behaviour of other children or something else I don't know.
I don't want to teach my children, I send them to school because I believe teachers do a far better job of it than I could ever hope to do. I'm happy to read with them because I have always read with them and so they could read before they went to school. I'm happy to make sure they know their tables but I don't want to have to sit whilst they fill in endless worksheets or memorise lists of spellings because if they've already grasped the concept then it's a pointless task and if they haven't then a teacher's assistance would be far superior to mine and spellings I just don't see the need as being able to memorise a list of words doesn't ensure that a child will spell them correctly in context at a later date.
Fining parents would be totally unfair, some parents wouldn't be able to support their child's reading because of their own language and literacy difficulties. How can it be monitored anyway? You do tenfold at least of the amount of schoolwork at home with your dd than I have ever done with any of mine and yet I'd hazard a guess that ability wise you would never know. Are parents to be fined when children don't make the grade on the basis that their parents haven't done enough? What of children with SEN would their parents be penalised despite putting in gargantuan efforts? It's a ridiculous idea to me anyway.

PastSellByDate · 20/06/2014 13:39

Just replying to sunshine but anyone out there (TEACHER/ ACADEMIC/ parent) who feels homework is 'harmful':

Sunshine wrote: I don't agree with homework especially at primary level.I remember it being on the news that research shows it does more harm than good in the long term

The research actually is quite limited for primary level children. e.g. NEFR 2001 study: www.nfer.ac.uk/publications/HWK01/HWK01.pdf - or this recent briefing (more applicable to secondary level): www.ioe.ac.uk/newsEvents/62517.html

or EEF toolkit Homework Primary: educationendowmentfoundation.org.uk/toolkit/homework/ - evaluated to only make 1 months difference

EEF toolkit Homework SEcondary: educationendowmentfoundation.org.uk/toolkit/homework-secondary/ - evaluated to make 5 months difference

All of these studies raise several issues:

Primary homework has primarily been studied in relation to overall school outcomes and not on an individual basis.

The quality of the school does appear to be linked in to the quality of homework - so if the school is not doing well in terms of the curriculum, they often are not designing quality homeworks which reinforce/ extend learning.

Parental support and the educational attainment of parents (especially the mother) do seem to make a huge difference to overall outcome.

A good start at a pre-school/ nursery can make a big difference as well.

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Before fines are introduced I think the government/ DofE/ OFSTED/ Teaching Unions/ Schools need to sort out

what is meant by homework
What good homework looks like
What good homework should achieve
What guidance on homework should be provided to parents/ pupils

Although I'm certain there are some schools out there who have addressed all of this and 'have a plan' - I know from bitter experience that isn't every school.

It's all well and good to have a homework policy on your school website (as ours does - recommending allegedly 2.5 hrs of homework per week) - but how can OFSTED fine parents when a school fails to send homework home week after week and does not bother to check on/ discuss out of school reading.

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capsium · 20/06/2014 14:00

Parental support and the educational attainment of parents (especially the mother) do seem to make a huge difference to overall outcome.

This would suggest homework does not overcome educational inequality because learning at home is dependent on the quality of support parents are able to provide their child.

IMO it would be far simpler for educationalists to concentrate their efforts on schools, the curriculum and teaching standards, so homework is not required to extend learning or raise attainment, rather than seeking to educate parents on how best to support their children at home.

The school day is long enough, children should not have to spend greater and greater proportions of their day on formal learning. Parents often work long hours and should not be required to effectively teach their own children, which is what compulsory homework amounts to, especially early on in Primary when children cannot do their homework unsupported (as in actively support not merely providing materials and space and supervision).

insanityscatching · 20/06/2014 14:28

I agree with every sentiment Capsium writes.

capsium · 20/06/2014 14:35

Thanks, insanity.

Wordsmith · 20/06/2014 17:15

I am going to read this thread properly when I have time because it's a real bugbear of mine.

However, there seems to be some debate as to whether this is actual government policy - isn't it just Michael Willsher flying a flag?

That said, the whole idea of fining parents for something they have no say in agreeing to is ridiculous! There are plenty of reasons why homework can't always be done. What if, like in my DS's school, it's set on Friday, expected back on Wednesday, and you go camping/have a family event/are ill for the weekend and have activities on Mon and Tues evening?

What is your child consistently forgets to bring his homework books home with him because he's a bit of an airhead (ahem)? By the time they get to Y5 teachers don't stand there saying 'have you got your homework' to every child, and why should they?

What if they set the homework online and give you the wrong link? Hmm - or what if your internet goes down for hours/days?

ALL OF THIS has happened in our house. DS's homework is only done 60 or 70 percent of the time - and often because the tasks are so poorly set out and explained I (never mind he) can't make head nor tail of them.

And as for being marked... I can't remember the last time I saw feedback!

Fining parents seems to be the only response this govt has to its failing education policy. I for one would like it be reciprocal, and allow me to fine schools for INSET days, days off because it snows a bit and so on. But I know this would be stupid, and it's not always the school's fault when these things happen. But heaven forbid that I should take my child out of school at the end of term for one day for a weekend away.

(I know that's a different topic, but same principle.)

As someone said, the people this is intended to target won't be the ones who end up paying.

GoblinLittleOwl · 20/06/2014 17:31

I always tried to set homework that children could complete by themselves, to reinforce what they have done in class; there is no point if they need to have a parent sitting at their right hand telling them what to do. All I would expect parents to do is check a) what homework is there tonight, (HW timetable sent home every term) and b) has it been done? As for building the Taj Mahal on whatever it was, you are right to be furious, although it did amuse me.(sorry)

clam · 20/06/2014 22:47

capsium Just to clarify, my point about the "appalling behaviour of some children in the class" was a probably PA reference to a post on another thread from shebird where she was complaining about that exact thing.

PastSellByDate · 21/06/2014 07:52

Capsium:

parental education makes a difference because well educated parents can support their children's learning, often use a wider range of vocabulary in day to day life, have educated interests (visiting museums, watching documentaries, travel, etc...) and tend to read (encouraging reading with their children by example/ support).

It is extremely dangerous territory (and I do hope you are not an education professional) to suggest that this is somehow genetic - well educated Mum = child does well regardless of quality of school. (the logical extension of such an arguement capsium would be that well educated parents in UK need not bother sending children to school or shouldn't be fined for taking their children out of school during term for holiday - these children will do well regardless).

My personal experience has been that a well educated Mum means they twig earlier than others that the school isn't doing enough, have high expectations and the wherewithall to intervene and help at home if the school doesn't seem to be doing much.

I've seen this play out at our own school where Unviersity staff/ hospital staff either do more at home or hire tutors (if they can't make the time/ don't enjoy teaching their kids themselves). I do take the point genuinely that there is a trend that well educated parents breed more well educated people - but I think it is far more complex than that. Well educated people can tell fairly immediately when their child isn't where they'd expect them to be/ the school isn't aiming particularly high - they also tend to have the werewhitall to do something about it.

I think the reality unfortunately is that the tradition of teachers being highly educated themselves is changing. Teachers are rarely the cream of the crop these days. The governement pulling support of PGCE training in Universities and opting for in service training in schools/ allowing academies to hire non-qualified teachers also seems worrying. I take the point that you don't have to be 'high flying' to be a good teacher - it's about other skills as well: how you work with children, patience, encouragement, etc... - but???

A good example was that I was aksed by the Head of English at St. Mediocre (who I suspected wished to humiliate me) to take the Guardian Grammar Test: www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/teacher-blog/quiz/2013/feb/04/grammar-punctuation-quiz-test - I was asked to do this at an English curriculum evening in front of about 75 people. Fortunately I did well - I got a perfect score. When I asked how did the staff do - there was a deafening silence. This quiz is meant for Y6 level - the teachers are meant to be Unviersity educated, highly trained professionals - shouldn't they all be scoring high on this test?

I don't know for sure but my guess is these ladies were educated at post 1992 institutions formerly knowned as polytechnics and I suspect they didn't do a University PGCE course but are a product of in-service training. Indeed my overall impression is that all the teachers are the product of the same training programme - thereby reinforcing the belief their approach is the only way to teach. Now just stepping back - is it logical to educate children of highly educated doctors/ nurses/ academics in this way? I concede it 'levels' the playing field - indeed DD1 left Y2 barely able to read or add and totally unable to subtract (which possibly may be some governmental egalitarian goal?) - but in this case the educated Mum (yours truly) stepped in and turned things around. And I'm not alone in doing this at our school.

I agree that in school education with little or no homework making its way home would be the ideal - but that does presume several things.

First that all teachers in a school are good to excellent at explaining new concepts. (and by extension that children would never be so fired up by something they'd want to learn more - i.e. science class of solar system might lead to more reading about solar system/ watching Sky at Night or other documentaries on our solar system/ the galaxy/ space).

Second that all teachers at a school are well organised, plan lessons well and differentiate. That there are never disruptive pupils (not just bad behaviour/ kids getting upset, sick or injured).

Third - that all teachers at a school will be working to help 'close the gap' for low ability or FSM students, that middle ability pupils will be stretched/ encouraged to be high ability and that high ability pupils will continue to be challenged/ stretched.

Fourth - this presumes that all children can be taught/ learn in the same way. The reality is that no teaching system works for every child. Each of us is unique in terms of how we actually work out how to read/ how to add & subtract, etc.... Like learning whether we like a new food as an infant before deciding we like it and are willing to have it again - it may be that a number of different explanations/ methods need to be demonstrated in order to understand/ master a concept. (If School A's approach follows insanity's model this would only happen in school over x-many days on the subject/ in School B's approach (where homework is sent home) this can play out both at school & at home - meaning the objective of learning to subtract with borrowing is mastered at that point in the academic calendar for the majority of pupils. Our school follows School A's model - which means 50%+ don't get fractions and then wait a term+/ sometimes a year before touching upon fractions as a topic in maths again. Today is Thursday turn to page X in your purchased maths curriculum. School more interested in demonstrating they've taught the curriculum/ than establishing children have mastered it).

Fifth: Learning does involve a certain amount of consolodation. This can be deemed boring (as insanity has described was her son's sentiments) - but it is about ensuring a certain concept is solidly understood.

Sixth - I think we do have to accept (speaking from the HE sector) that at some stage 'doing homework' (which we tend to call 'research') is crucial. Obviously everyone has their own 'level' - but I know my hairdresser is contantly trying out new things, learning about new products and actively competing - all of which require out of work time/ preparation. A recent conversation with a tree surgeon went much the same - he has taken health & saftey courses, had to research how to prune a tree he'd never dealt with before for the botanic gardens, has gotten into bonsai, keeps topiary in his garden as a hobby etc.. They don't call this research/ homework - but the reality is that many of us (and I would hope teachers are included in this) don't just go to work and stop at the end of the day. Teachers read education related publications/ briefings from their LEA/ new curriculum documents/ go to training sessions/ may be active in their unions - all of this 'extra' work (some of which admittedly may be durnig paid working hours) is 'homework' - feeding back into better planning/ teaching/ administration of pupils.

Obviously we all have different experiences and wildly different children - so I'm not saying my view is right here - but my experience has been that just like in music where you have a lesson and go away and practice the pieces you've been assigned - first learning the notes, then working on timing, maybe then realising you're playing one bit wrong and tweeking that, then working on volume (piano/ forte/ etc...) and then building up speed so that by the time of the next lesson you have mastered that concept and are ready for the next piece.

This kind of 'practice' is called 'homework' when it is reading/ maths/ science/ history/ etc... - but the point is that going away and doing a bit more can reinforce and build skills, preparing you for the next step.

I accept that their is heated debate about the value of homework - but first nobody has actually defined what homework is and what good quality homework looks like. Personally, I don't hear parents clamoring for no books home in YR/ KS1 - so we are saying reading at this age (this homework) is useful. What I do hear is parents (or their children) bored of the same book for weeks on end (not changing books) or books that seem far to easy/ boring subject matter or books allocated in strict order of a reading scheme. (all of which look to me like poorly thought out early reading schemes. Our school literally gives me the impression that learning to read is somehow 'magic' - as the response to most parents enquiring what they should be doing at home is 'support your child reading' with no hard examples of what exactly we should be doing).

KS2 seems to be the battlefield - and my observation has been that those that start doing more tend to be the higher achievers. At our school there definitely is a divide. Kids that go to school and then are off playing sports/ playing with friends/ playing video games/ watching tv - none of the activities are awful in and of themselves - and in the main these are the kids that haven't mastered their multiplication tables (which by the way the teachers at St. Mediocre voted off the homework policy the year after the OFSTED inspection), struggle to multiply two digits by one digit and don't get long division/ remainders, fractions or percentages.

The split is stark (and perhaps this is a factor of state funded grammar schools in Birmingham) - but brighter children go to the grammar schools, savvy parents move to better catchments for senior schools - and the vast majority of that group struggling with multiplication tables go to two local comprehensives - both of which now are in special measures (which of course is in no way related to an intake of pupils with an edcuational start in a primary which only aimed to just get pupils over the NC L4 threshold, doesn't believe in teaching division and doesn't support homework).

By the way Mr. Wilshaw (OFSTED HEAD proposing fining parents for not supporting homework) - none of these parents would be fined - there genuinely hasn't been a lot of homework.

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insanityscatching · 21/06/2014 09:00

Well my lot in ks2 went to school came home and did whatever they chose whether that was sports/friends/tv/gaming etc but then they'd nailed their tables early on in ks2. I don't think in my experience with my brood of five that parents have to play that big a role to have children who are numerate and literate by the end of ks2 as schools do a pretty good job regardless of what OFSTED seem to think.
Most children have minimal homework and I don't know anyone who gives their own children extra because most parents believe that the children and themselves need down time after school and work.
Parents who didn't think the school was doing enough would move their children to another school as there are places available in most schools around here.
The only time you hear of tutors being used around here are by parents of children of a very particular school which is rated OFSTED outstanding most likely to ensure their flawless SATs record isn't breached. Although I'm not sure the teaching can be that outstanding if they recommend tutors to get their children through SATs tbh.

capsium · 21/06/2014 09:03

Past

parental education makes a difference because well educated parents can support their children's learning, often use a wider range of vocabulary in day to day life, have educated interests (visiting museums, watching documentaries, travel, etc...) and tend to read (encouraging reading with their children by example/ support).

Exactly the comment I was making, when I said,

This would suggest homework does not overcome educational inequality because learning at home is dependent on the quality of support parents are able to provide their child.

It is extremely dangerous territory (and I do hope you are not an education professional) to suggest that this is somehow genetic - well educated Mum = child does well regardless of quality of school

Nowhere Have I said this, or even inferred this. You are extrapolating a meaning from my comments which just does not exist.

(the logical extension of such an arguement capsium would be that well educated parents in UK need not bother sending children to school or shouldn't be fined for taking their children out of school during term for holiday - these children will do well regardless).

I do not agree with fining parents for taking children out of school for holidays either, not that I have personally chosen to do this with my own DC. Some parents also successfully home educate their DC, not that have I chosen to do this personally for my own DC either.

I don't know for sure but my guess is these ladies were educated at post 1992 institutions formerly knowned as polytechnics and I suspect they didn't do a University PGCE course but are a product of in-service training.

My DH gained his Degree, in IT, from a University which was formally a Polytechnic. Indeed when he started his Degree it still was a Polytechnic. Yes, work experience in the field was included on the course. It was a 4 years Honours Degree course, as many were, with what amounted to spending a year working in the field and 3 years academic study.

(and perhaps this is a factor of state funded grammar schools in Birmingham) - but brighter children go to the grammar schools, savvy parents move to better catchments for senior schools - and the vast majority of that group struggling with multiplication tables go to two local comprehensives - both of which now are in special measures (which of course is in no way related to an intake of pupils with an edcuational start in a primary which only aimed to just get pupils over the NC L4 threshold, doesn't believe in teaching division and doesn't support homework).

I am actually an advocate of a well run Comprehensive system. I believe in in full inclusion. I myself attended a very large Comprehensive in the 80s. I am University educated. So did my brother and he also has a Degree as well as a Masters and professional qualifications.

capsium · 21/06/2014 09:57

I agree that in school education with little or no homework making its way home would be the ideal - but that does presume several things.

First that all teachers in a school are good to excellent at explaining new concepts. (and by extension that children would never be so fired up by something they'd want to learn more - i.e. science class of solar system might lead to more reading about solar system/ watching Sky at Night or other documentaries on our solar system/ the galaxy/ space).

Second that all teachers at a school are well organised, plan lessons well and differentiate. That there are never disruptive pupils (not just bad behaviour/ kids getting upset, sick or injured).

Third - that all teachers at a school will be working to help 'close the gap' for low ability or FSM students, that middle ability pupils will be stretched/ encouraged to be high ability and that high ability pupils will continue to be challenged/ stretched.

Fourth - this presumes that all children can be taught/ learn in the same way. The reality is that no teaching system works for every child. Each of us is unique in terms of how we actually work out how to read/ how to add & subtract, etc.... Like learning whether we like a new food as an infant before deciding we like it and are willing to have it again - it may be that a number of different explanations/ methods need to be demonstrated in order to understand/ master a concept. (If School A's approach follows insanity's model this would only happen in school over x-many days on the subject/ in School B's approach (where homework is sent home) this can play out both at school & at home - meaning the objective of learning to subtract with borrowing is mastered at that point in the academic calendar for the majority of pupils. Our school follows School A's model - which means 50%+ don't get fractions and then wait a term+/ sometimes a year before touching upon fractions as a topic in maths again. Today is Thursday turn to page X in your purchased maths curriculum. School more interested in demonstrating they've taught the curriculum/ than establishing children have mastered it).

These are exactly the type of issues I believe those who work within the system and those who dictate the system should be focussing on tackling. By attempting to blame parents and seek punitive measures against them they are shirking their responsibilities in tackling these issues.

Fifth: Learning does involve a certain amount of consolodation. This can be deemed boring (as insanity has described was her son's sentiments) - but it is about ensuring a certain concept is solidly understood.

Sixth - I think we do have to accept (speaking from the HE sector) that at some stage 'doing homework' (which we tend to call 'research') is crucial. Obviously everyone has their own 'level' - but I know my hairdresser is contantly trying out new things, learning about new products and actively competing - all of which require out of work time/ preparation. A recent conversation with a tree surgeon went much the same - he has taken health & saftey courses, had to research how to prune a tree he'd never dealt with before for the botanic gardens, has gotten into bonsai, keeps topiary in his garden as a hobby etc.. They don't call this research/ homework - but the reality is that many of us (and I would hope teachers are included in this) don't just go to work and stop at the end of the day. Teachers read education related publications/ briefings from their LEA/ new curriculum documents/ go to training sessions/ may be active in their unions - all of this 'extra' work (some of which admittedly may be durnig paid working hours) is 'homework' - feeding back into better planning/ teaching/ administration of pupils.

This type of research, though, is self governed and self driven. There is autonomy and ownership over the activity. It is what happens when people have a genuine love and interest for a subject. When this happens the boundaries between work and leisure are blurred. This is the ideal. It is what happens within education when a teacher is truly inspirational and can foster and encourage a love for a subject. Unfortunately a lot of homework, is resented, for eating into leisure time. When this is the case, it can only serve to reinforce negative associations with a subject.

insanityscatching · 21/06/2014 10:33

Ds (the one who did no homework) did teach himself computer programming outside of school and did degree level maths questions for fun so he wasn't exactly lazy he just couldn't see the point of repetition of topics he had already grasped.
Dd (the younger one) is currently making her way through a series of books her sister read, she taught herself to touch type last six week holiday, she's teaching herself some french because what she has learnt at school sparked her interest and her ICT skills are advanced enough to solve a problem on Scratch that the ICT teacher was struggling with.
My other three pursued other topics, one is passionate about history particularly American history another statistics and the third geology.
They learn because they have an interest and pursue it, they don't consider it learning they consider it fun. I think that is far more worthwhile and beneficial in the longterm than filling their time doing prescribed homework sheets that they find boring.

bambino37 · 21/06/2014 11:28

it wont happen .Wilshaw publicity stunt

sbm78 · 23/06/2014 12:27

Its not always easy to do homework.

My DS 8year old struggles at school, the last thing he wants to do when he gets home is do his homework. He has behavioural issues as well. Myself and the school have agreed that their is no point because he gets angry.

Whereas my DD 6 years loves doing it, so we do that together.

Every child is different, it's not always the parents fault!!

PastSellByDate · 26/06/2014 11:54

sbm78

You raise a very valid and important point. Some parents, with the best will in the world, are not able to support their children in homework

like you there may be SN/ anger issues

many at our primary have language barriers (parents are very supportive of doing homework, but can't help with finer points of English grammar for example because English is an additional language for them or they have poor/no English skills).

general health can be an issue. Certainly one child in DD1's class was seriously ill during much of Y2/ Y3 and doing homework would have been out of the question.

I hope bambino37 you are correct and this is just a publicity stunt from a head of OFSTED who's been caught out it seems by this no notice inspection squabble retracted recently on newsnight - summarised here www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-27774701.

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PastSellByDate · 26/06/2014 12:39

Genuinely I think all parents are for better schools/ higher standards - but I think to keep schools 'honest' we need a system of inspection that isn't well signalled, that isn't just about a snapshot of carefully stage managed lessons/ activities/ children/ parents/ governors - but is about getting to the core issue of whether the school is doing enough to ensure that every child is getting the best possible education.

WE DON'T NEED GIMMICKS LIKE FINING PARENTS FOR NOT SUPPORTING HOMEWORK - BUT SCHOOLS TO BE PROFESSIONAL IN THEIR DELIVERY OF WELL-DIFFERENTIATED, PURPOSEFUL/ USEFUL AND, frankly, ENJOYABLE HOMEWORKS THAT CONSOLIDATE SKILLS AND STRETCH/ CHALLENGE PUPILS, regardless of level.

We need schools focused on supporting achievement: supporting the parent of a child who is already showing talent in a sport (organising make-up work for missed classes, getting homework to them digitally - rather than lecturing them about how their child is missing too much school and they can't expect the school to provide extra work/ homework in advance. If you want high caliber athletes as a nation you have to accept they need to start young).

supporting parents of struggling children - provide advice on how to help, recommending workbooks that might help/ websites that might help/ etc.... giving suggestions that parents can put into practice. Recognising that some children have to overcome illness/ parental illiteracy/ innumeracy, chaotic home lives - and that as a society it is worth investing in such pupils with homework help clubs (before/ after school/ at lunch) to attempt to help them out of such circumstances.

supporting parents of more able children - keeping them engaged and interested in learning, ensuring that they aren't left to doodle all day at school, ensuring that their ability is fostered. (Why aren't LEA's obliged to offer brighter pupils - that top 5% in ability - G&T level teaching in KS2 Upper - when brighter pupils may have exceeded curriculum support for ordinary primary schools? Why can't the organise for area schools to go to a local secondary for special maths/ science/ English lessons - stretching and challenging these pupils. How on earth do you expect to produce 'great thinkers'/ scientists/ mathematicians without such support?)

OFSTED should be focusing on an inspection system that produces reliable results - not surprises which are instantly overturned (e.g. rating several of the Trojan horse Birmingham schools OUTSTANDING in 2012 and in less than 2 years later reporting they are NEEDS IMPROVEMENT - whilst simultaneously rating long-term locally outstanding schools (both well-respected secondaries) NEEDS IMPROVEMENT in 2012 - the same calendar year as these OUTSTANDING verdicts - and forcing them into academy status). It's hard not to see these 'odd' verdicts on Birmingham schools in 2012 as anything other than political.

Parents need to understand what the flaws are at a school and we need to see that the schools are addressing them - part of this process needs to be for more transparent admission on the part of the schools for their shortcomings and continuous information to highly concerned parents that these are being addressed/ improvements are being made. And without the spin/ euphemisms please.

Parents need to see substantive examples of how exactly governors are holding schools to account. We need a system where when parents complain they aren't fobbed off by a long-winded system - raise with teacher - raise with head - raise with governors - raise with LEA. Or that old nutshell - we can't deal with individual cases. Are you really saying that if a school fails to notice a child is missing after a field trip that parent can't complain about poor systems on outings? If a parent complains that there child has had no homework for 12 weeks and the school homework policy is weekly homeworks - are you saying that isn't a valid complaint?

Inspections are a chance to actually see first hand how children are doing:

Simple gimmicks like asking a Y4 cohort to take a pop quiz on addition/ subtraction & times tables. If >50% don't know this stuff - that's a problem, because they should. That's not OFSTED being unfair - that's OFSTED revealing the school isn't performing their duty by these children.

Asking a sample of Y5 students (ask teacher to select 3 each of various ability - high/ middle/ low) to calculate the perimeter of a non-uniform geometric shape with not all information on lengths provided, but using pre-existing knowledge of standard geometric shapes (i.e. a rectangular has two equal short sides and two equal long sides/ an isosceles triangle has two equal sides but the third side will be a different length).

Asking Y1/Y2 pupils to read from books OFSTED brings in which wouldn't normally be in school purchased reading schemes. If more than 50% struggle to read to the inspectors - that's a problem.

Asking Y3/Y4 pupils to discuss what they're currently reading with you - to determine how comprehension skills are developing. And asking them whether their teachers discuss this kind of thing with them or not.

Ask some searching questions - do you spend more time on maths than assemblies during the week? What do you learn from your field trips? Do field trips relate to what you're studying? Do you do work in school related to your field trips?

Reviewing school work/ but also feedback. Our school has had years (and continues to do so) of just ticking the work (i.e. yep, the kid's done this assignment - no further effort there). Given the homework is photocopies of workbook sheets (so let's see 5-10 minutes effort there - possibly just for the TA and not differentiated) - OFSTED should be sampling homework journals/ in class subject workbooks and picking up schools on quality of homework/ feedback. This kind of poorly thought out homework from schools is missing opportunities for struggling students (who find the homework too hard so stop doing it) and for high achieving students (who regularly finish the homework in a few minutes often during packing up time at school).

Yes, yes - observe some lessons, talk to hand-picked parents/ governors who've been chosen to help put the school's best face forward - but also walk the playground before/ after school and talk to parents. Are they worried to say anything. Are they ranting about failings of the school. What's the school's atmosphere? Are parents openly cynical about the Head/ Deputy walking the playground on the morning of the inspection - which they haven't done for years (as was the case at our school).

If teachers have been doing their job well - pupils are achieving well, school is reasonably well organised, lessons are reasonably well planned - inspection should be a formality.

Finally, as a parent who's witnessed her child do nothing in Y6 except prepare for SATs - OFSTED needs to ask Y6 pupils what they've been doing and school's that are hot housing cohorts for KS2 SATs need to be SLAMMED for it. It really is 11th hour panic to be doing this and smacks of a school that has missed opportunities and avoided hard work for years. Frankly this should be on parent view - so parents fed up with miserable Y6 children can signal their frustration with what is in effect poor management of the delivery of primary curriculum.

Year 6 should be an ordinary school year where learning is progressing and children aren't endlessly reviewing. The damage in terms of poor attitudes toward school/ teachers sets in at this stage because too many schools are handling KS2 SATs in this way.

Perhaps it is time to make KS2 SATs short-noticed and the content of the exam highly variable and, therefore, unpredictable.

If schools had no idea when Y6 SATs would be administered - January - May and couldn't easily predict content they may feel more inclined to ensure they're doing their day to day job of getting the vast majority of pupils (floor standard 65% now) to NC L4 or better. Schools should be rewarded if they achieve this for NC L5.

Again, sorry MN & all for the ongoing rants - but I am beyond livid at the drip drip drip of wasted opportunities DD1 has had at her school and the fact that allegedly professional teachers were content to do next to nothing in school to resolve fundamental problems with early reading/ addition & subtraction skills until Y3 at the earliest. I felt the OFSTED inspection of our school was a farce - too well signalled (letter previous school year indicating inspection would be sometime in the coming year) - and OFSTED were uninterested in examining too deeply serious gaps in the provision of outside of school learning opportunities (homework) - didn't query or dwell on the fact that bug club/ my maths were newly purchased and that moodle (a VLE) was newly purchased. They rewarded the school for their plans and good intentions and gave them a GOOD - I hope having seen all this fall by the by that when OFSTED return they give the result this school deserves - NEEDS IMPROVEMENT.

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insanityscatching · 26/06/2014 21:54

Past your dd's school is nothing at all like dd's school from the sounds of it. She is year six and life before SATs was pretty much like year five was.Life went on as normal, residentials, sporting activities, visits, theatre, topics etc happened just as they do every other year. Preparation for SATs was sitting a practice paper in test conditions on the corresponding days in the two weeks before SATs. Much of this practice was for children like my dd who has autism who needed to experience what the real thing would be like on the day and to get rid of any anxieties.
Dd will get level fives, her teacher knows because she has been assessed throughout school there was no need to coach her for SATs. Dd "knows" that fours will show that she has reached the standard that is required and we will all be happy at that although her teacher did tell her if she got threes she would staple her to the whiteboard Grin (to illustrate how far she has come dd laughed whereas two years ago she would have cried because she would have perceived it as a threat)
Were there no alternative schools that you could have sent dd to? We have around ten schools within a three mile radius, the majority have spaces. Parents vote with their feet when they aren't happy tbh.

PastSellByDate · 27/06/2014 11:30

Insanity:

We voted with our feet with DD2 - she's now in a new school. Job situation (redundancy process lasting 2 years) precluded our moving earlier and DD1 adores her friends at St. Mediocre (who are fabulous).

We've done more at home - it was all we could do - but we have ensured DD1 is off to a very well respected local comp for senior school. We'd have preferred the grammar nearest us (she missed it by 7 pts) but are content - she did pass the 11+ (state grammars are free in Birmingham) but the 1 hour commute to the school using public transport was too daunting for her so she asked to go to the local senior school.

Unfortunately as parents we're left wondering had we had a more settled year professionally would that have made a difference?

If we hadn't been so worried about money and hired a tutor would that have made a difference?

Should I have pushed her harder? Insisted she revised for 11+ every day of the week like some friends (some got in/ others didn't)?

But basically we wonder had St. Mediocre been more 'on the ball' with delivery of primary curriculum and had higher aspirations for their pupils - wouldn't that have made a difference?

It's been an interesting time primary school. It hasn't been all bad - socially and sporting opportunity-wise DD1 has had a fabulous time - and maybe ultimately that's more important in terms of life skills - as DD1 can network with the best of them.

My hope is that in future school will be less of a battle and more of a pleasant surprise at their ambitions/ efforts on behalf of my children. Already the case for DD2 and I remain hopeful it will be the case for DD1 in Year 7.

However, my apologies in advance for the baggage of 7 years of prevaricating, disingenuity, lack lustre effort I carry with me into the new primary & secondary school environments. I wish the trust could be there - but it was utterly destroyed by St. Mediocre.

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Bonsoir · 27/06/2014 16:24

PastSellByDate - in France the national assessments that took place in the equivalents of Y3 and Y6 were abolished. My DD was in the last cohort that took the CE2 (Y3) national assessments, in 2012, and the results were not consolidated or published - parents received notification of how their child had performed in French and Maths and that was all.

I think I agree with you that the temptation for (bad) schools to spend too much time teaching to the test in the run-up is very great indeed.

Bonsoir · 27/06/2014 16:24

CE1, not CE2

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