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year 1 phonics check

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SmileAndNod · 19/03/2014 19:59

Does anyone know if this is done in the summer term, or is there no set time for it? Also what exactly is it they check? That they can decode a word rather than read? It was mentioned at the start of the year but nothing since!
Thank you

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proudmama72 · 02/04/2014 12:34

By 'they' well schools, nurseries and TV shows - but I could be wrong. That might be uniquely American. Sesame street and electric factory helped me learn to read.

I still remember an 'tion' - shun shun shun shuuuun.

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columngollum · 02/04/2014 13:00

What would they say if there wasn't a picture?

You can teach them to read it without the picture but not in one afternoon. First

the
cat
sat
on
mat

similarly they can then read
the mat sat on the cat

teach them rat

and they can read the cat and rat sat on each other.

But they can't read the rat sat in the library.

maizieD · 02/04/2014 13:15

things like you should be really worried your son failed the phonics check, I think this needlessly worrying parents.

For those of us who are experienced in the teaching of reading to children in schools this is quite problematic. We don't want to scare people but we know that a child who fails to reach the standard in the phonics check most likely fails to do so because there is a problem with the teaching of phonics at their school.

A child might be slower to learn but in a good school this will have been picked up way back in Reception and they will have been given extra support to keep them up with their peers; no reason there to fail to meet the standard. If a child hasn't been identified early on as needing extra support then there is either no problem with the child, or, the school just isn't on board with the effectiveness of phonics instruction and clings to the notion that children will 'get it' in their own good time, or, it has low expectations of what children can learn.

If the child is apparently 'normal' why haven't they managed to learn the correspondences used in the Check? They have had two years of reading instruction.

It helps to understand that the correspondences used in the Check have been chosen on the basis of examination of 6 phonics programmes. The correspondences are all those which should have been taught in those programmes by the time the Phonics Check takes place. Any correspondences which haven't been covered in all the programmes are not used.

Most of these programmes were developed by teachers so you will, I'm sure, appreciate that years of classroom experience of teaching children to read with phonics has given them a pretty good idea of how much children can learn in two years. There is nothing wildly unrealistic about the expectations these programmes have, of what children should have learned in that time, because they are based on solid classroom experience.

So, if a school hasn't managed to teach a 'normal' child what is perfectly achievable in 2 years, or, if they have failed to identify a struggling child and given it appropriate support to enable it to keep up with the rest of the class, it is worrying.

I speak from the perspective of someone who worked with struggling readers at KS3. You have no idea of the damage that difficullty with reading does to children, not only to their educational chances but also to their self image and confidence. Not to mention that they never develop the desirable 'love of reading' which people bang on about...

Reading is not a 'developmental' process; it is completely unnatural and has to be taught. Children's success is, in the main, dependent on the quality of the teaching they get. We can't keep this secret from parents just in case we worry them! Or can we? If parents' worry (or the Phonics Check results) can galvanise a school into improving its teaching it is to the benefit of not only their child, but also other peoples'. If the school won't change at least parents are aware that there are problems and can do something about it; either private tutoring or DIY help.

maizieD · 02/04/2014 13:17

Hence, my teacher saying my word 'envelope' for a word that began with 'e' as in 'egg' was wrong, because she pronounced it 'onvelope'. Gah.

How stupid of her! 'Phonics' is not elocution lessons.

FWIW I say it both ways Wink

maizieD · 02/04/2014 13:19

I think that collumgollum should start a Free School.

She'll have the illiteracy problem cracked in no time at all.

columngollum · 02/04/2014 14:26

Wouldn't that have to be a fairly big free school? Best I get started then.

Mashabell · 02/04/2014 14:40

Maizie: ^
If teaching children to read were that easy there wouldn't be any illiterate children and adults around.^

Teaching children to read would be very easy, and illiterate adults would be very rare indeed, if English spelling was more sensible - if it did not often use one letter or letter string for different sounds.

Mashabell · 02/04/2014 14:46

Children's success is, in the main, dependent on the quality of the teaching they get.

The amount of teaching, especially one to one, makes a much bigger difference than the type of teaching.

Many children learn mainly with the help they get at home.

Quite a few of the brighter sparks even learn mainly by themselves, with little help from anyone.

maizieD · 02/04/2014 15:08

Wouldn't that have to be a fairly big free school? Best I get started then.

Well, if you just start in a modest way with the 120,000 children from one year group who are going to fail to learn to read competently I think you'll be fine. You'll need a rather large unused sporting stadium to fit them all in but then you could get your cards displayed on big screens around the place. I bet the sound of 120,000 children chanting 'The cat sat on the mat' is pretty impressive.

mrz · 02/04/2014 18:00

And who knows, maybe it does. But I think, depending on the child and the amount of practise, you can teach look and say in under a year too.

How many words do you think a young child can learn by sight in a year CG?

maizieD · 02/04/2014 18:40

@mrz.

cg's going to show the world with her Free School and revolutionary method of teaching reading by holding up cards with pictures on them for the children to guess read the words from. It's dead simple, mrz. Anyone can do it..

I'm surprised that marsha hasn't marshalled her forces against her; after all, cg's revolutionary method might make a nonsense of spelling reform when it teaches ALL children to read...

mrz · 02/04/2014 19:12

I look forward to the day all children can read maizie Smile

Seryph · 02/04/2014 19:53

I'm not entirely sure what reading and spelling have to do with each other. I mean, that might just be because I'm dyspraxic/dyslexic, but I can read at a very high level, my last tested vocabulary was in the top 1%; but I can't spell very well at all. My mum had to teach me to sound out words I was trying to spell, and to this day I still sound things out. Look and say had a knock on effect on me too, I can only attempt to see words in my head as shapes, rather than as sounds or letters. Sometimes I will come across a word that I can't read, so I sound it out, and often it's a word I know I just didn't recognise it until I said it.
I agree with what many of the teachers have said here, kids and parents shouldn't have the test made into a big thing, unless there is a serious problem and then it can be talked about privately between teacher and parent. Surely it's a win/win, either your kid passes with flying colours (huzzah!) or DC needs a bit of extra help to get them up to speed and the school can address it's system of teaching to make sure they are doing the best for the kids; which again, is all good things!

Oh, also, Masha? At what university did you study English Language Child Language Acquisition, and teaching of English (specifically to British English speaking children)? Just because a lot of what you are saying doesn't actually match up with the MAHons in English Language that I'm doing.

columngollum · 02/04/2014 19:57

Well, seryph, it's never too late to ditch your university course.

Seryph · 02/04/2014 20:18

CG, actually I love the English Language department. Though how useful my speciality in the history of the language (including its spelling, and the Great Vowel Shift that Masha seems to be unsure about) will actually be in my career as a primary school teacher I have no idea!

columngollum · 02/04/2014 20:22

Aren't we still waiting for an infant-friendly version of Beowulf?

mrz · 02/04/2014 20:25

Have you seen the Kevin Crossley Holland version CG?

columngollum · 02/04/2014 20:35

Superb, age 8/9+ maybe. We had some not totally ungory celtic folk tales at about that age.

ThreeTomatoes · 02/04/2014 22:41

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Feenie · 02/04/2014 22:57

Bee-oh-wolf Grin

ThreeTomatoes · 02/04/2014 23:07

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Feenie · 03/04/2014 06:45

Anglo-Saxon, innit. Grin

Lucky ds had that in his spellings this week Hmm

Mashabell · 03/04/2014 09:03

Seryph
I studied at Exeter (1967-70).

Mashabell · 03/04/2014 09:06

Seryph
I have doubts about the theory of the vowel shift because i have never seen any convincing evidence for it. It seems a vague, totally unsubstantiated concept.

For random changes in English spelling, there is plenty of evidence in old books and documents, like the more regular spellings of Chaucer and many others (frend, lern, meny; beleve, reson, speke) and the adoption of far more complex ones after 1430 and many other silly, totally gratuitous changes.

My view of the history of English is based on my own research over the past 20 years - not on what other have copied from each other in book after book, without checking the facts.

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