year 1 phonics check

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Does anyone know if this is done in the summer term, or is there no set time for it? Also what exactly is it they check? That they can decode a word rather than read? It was mentioned at the start of the year but nothing since!
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I give up

She hasn't learned a new word though, because until it is explained to her (unless she's naturally good at archaeology) she's not going to know what she's looking at.

So, even if she can pronounce it, she still doesn't know what it is.

Don't you explain new vocabulary as you introduce it columngollum? How odd!

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Take two children who have never been taught to read before.

Child one

Teach the phonics of c, a, t, d, o,g

Child two
repeatedly show them the words cat, dog and tell them they are words for cat, dog.

Child one should be able to read the words cat, dog, cog, tag, got, god, cod, cot and probably a few others because they know the building bricks of those words

What words would child two read? and how would you think that they would try to read a word in their own vocabulary they have never seen before.

Oh, sorry, I thought phonics children didn't need to be introduced to new words. I thought that's what this discussion was about.

Being able to have a jolly good stab at pronouncing an unknown word isn't very helpful.

As an aside one of my pupils brought in his fossil collection (we have been studying dinosaurs) and it included trilobites and coprolites which the children could read easily including the glossary.

Much more useful than a picture with a single word flash card don't you think

Columngollum you have a very odd view of reading if you think children never encounter new vocabulary in the course of their reading.

Indeed, in the look and say world it's not possible to buy dictionaries on account of the fact that look and say people can't use them because they're full of new words.

Well a significant proportion of people being taught look and say couldn't read new words. Have you looked up functional illiteracy yet?

No columngollum in the look and say world the child who has repeatedly seen the picture of fossilised dinosaur dung with the word coprolite may read the word but until you put together more cards for all the words in the glossary they can't go further.

We don't yet know the proportion who won't be able to read under phonics. We're told that 99.99999 percent of children being taught properly (a rather circular definition, but none the less) can now read.

We will see.

If we look at the data from schools who have taught phonics for over a decade we have a very favourable comparison with schools teaching look and say

umm, surely we need both methods? I didn't realise it was an all-or-nothing approach. I know the "fake" words probably grate with a lot of people but surely the point is to teach them a skill of blending sounds as a way of tackling unfamiliar words. If they were all "real" words, then children may just say them from visual memory.

OK, the phonics method does not work for lots of word, but for many it will, and for those it doesn't it may well steer you in the right direction of an educated guess.

DD brings home books from school which are reading scheme synthetic phonics, and also "real" books. She is therefore decoding words as taught by SP methods, and reading books from memory/look-and-say. She hasn't really got the hang of listening to the sounds she says and blending them together yet, but if she recognises the word she whizzes along. So the test will be interesting for her as despite being a good reader, I don't think she will do well at that at the moment. BUT I do see it as a skill she needs.

That may well be true. There should be a point when almost all children leaving primary school are/were good readers and I believe that we should have passed that point somewhere around about 2012 if all schools implemented the Rose recommendations in 2005.

So, at some point now-ish we should be expecting to see 99.9999 percent of children leaving primary school as good readers.

I'll ask the question I always ask when someone says phonics does not work for lots of words ... which words does phonics not work for Housemum?

The data from NfER shows that most schools claiming to teach Synthetic phonics ...aren't they are still teaching sight words, picture clues onset and rime etc alongside watered down version of phonics

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just off the top of my head......

All perfectly easy to read using phonics Gizmo ...what do you find difficult?

Mrz - do you think people keep saying that phonics doesn't work for lots of words, think this because they have never been shown a full phonics table showing the different phonemes (that's the right term isn't it?) and which correspond to which sounds. And they only know the basic single letter and some 2 letter ones?

gu is a very common spelling for the sound /g/ guile, guide, guilt, guerrilla, guard, guitar, guinea, guarentee, Guernsey etc

Well, if the phonics check is supposed to sort that out, then we could wait until 2020 for 99.9999 per cent of children.

TeenAndTween I think it's a combination of factor. Firstly they have been told phonics doesn't work ... and for some strange reason in lots of teacher's minds high frequency words have become synonymous with words you need to learn by sight (because phonics doesn't work) and this is passed onto parents.

I think people confuse the fact that in English some sounds have more than one spelling and one spelling can represent more than one sound with being non phonetic but our written language is a visual representation of our spoken language and letters are the symbols we use to represent sounds.

Phonics works for 100 per cent of words if you define phonics as being something that works on 100 per cent of words.

No columngollum the phonics check isn't meant to sort it out

I can give you a 100 percent of word definition. All words can be spoken therefore all words are phonetic. The question then becomes is that definition any use, probably not, unfortunately.