Has this school trip broke any regulations/laws?

[emma16]

I would appreciate some help here please, my 5 year old daughter went on a trip with 2 other classes from her school on Friday to a wood which I was initially concerned about as we go there ourselves on a Sunday etc for walks & have never seen any facilities there.
I raised my concerns with her teacher the week before they were due to go, to which she hardly knew anything of the trip & when i arrived at home time another teacher i know told me that she'd been there & there were facilities, and 'as if' they'd take 3 classes of kids somewhere where there wasnt!
I wasn't pretty hot about this trip seeing as they've waited until the middle of November to do it, and as any genuinely concerned parent, I was worried about how cold my daughter would be seeing as they were leaving just after 9am & not returning to school until 3.15pm.

Off she went anyway, but when my husband picked her up from the woods car park the first thing she said to him was 'im so thirst daddy & my head really hurts'. He brought her home & we found out that they had not taken their water bottle's with them & she'd had nothing to drink whatsoever all day, despite being active for 5 hours walking & doing activities.
We also found out that there were no toilets provided & her & 3 of her friends were taken by some assistant she doesn't know to wee behind a tree out in a public wood!!!
She also told us, when questioned by us, they never went in any buildings & were outside all day. They'd sat on little stools under a sheet to eat their pack lunchs.

Now some of you on here will think i'm over reacting no doubt & appreciate it if all you want to say is a snide comment about my over bearing parenting, but, in my opinion i feel they have done wrong.
I have made several enquiries with other people & as far as they know, there are no facilities whatsoever up at this wood, which my husband & I are going to visit this morning to find the country ranger & ask him himself.

If there aren't this means that no risk assessment could have been carried out, those teachers lied to my face after voicing my concerns, they let my daughter go without any fluids for over 5 hours despite being active & came home ill & with a headache, they let some stranger to her pull her pants down in a public wood to wee, and they gave them no form of shelter/heating for even a short period of time just to warm them up before going back out again.
Is any of this ok, does anyone with some knowledge actually know? From a parents point of view there's all sorts wrong with it. If there were facilities why did they choose not to use them?

Ds (year 1) was booked for a school trip out in the open last March. All ready to go, and the day he went they had quite a deep snowfall in the area they were going to.
We got a note to say please don't forget hats/gloves/anything warm they need.
The children all agreed that the best bit of the trip was being outside as the snow fell around them. They'd have been happy with a short coach trip and a load of snow. There was no inside place at all. The picnic in the snow was the most exciting bit apparently! Ds is hoping it snows next trip (which is in June so not much hope of that!)

And if the dc were running around enough to get dehydrated, then at least she wasn't cold.

Someone's probably picked this up, but there was an AIBU a short time ago saying they didn't want to send their dd in reception on a trip which was going to be outside all day because they were cold. Is this the same OP?

nivea so you think all those of us who believe the OP is worrying unnecessarily are uncaring/unconcerned parents? How about it's just that we have a healthy regard for allowing our kids to take part in the world without fear or fuss?

If she seriously had an issue about drinks, then surely she should have packed a drink for her to take. We've already heard that there were toilet facilities at the venue, and for any child who was caught short, a caring CRB-checked adult helped her out (all our parent helpers have to be CRB checked as well, or we're not allowed to ask them to help).

No school takes a trip off the premises without a comprehensive risk assessment drawn up (which is a legal requirement and we even have to fill them in for some on-site activities) and all the Outdoor Pursuit providers also have extremely detailed guidelines.

What more do you want, fgs?

Yes, dewe. Her sister, I believe.
The OP clearly didn't want her child to go on the trip at all, and now it's happened, she's determined to find fault.

For the last time of pointing out, I hope, schools do NOT all ensure every adult helping on a school trip is CRB checked. There is absolutely not point telling someone that is the case when it IS NOT. Fine to tell them that their child not drinking all day and doing a wee behind a tree is not the end of the world, but don't tell them untruths.

Also it is NOT true that all schools ensure it is only school staff who help take children to the toilet.

Has the OP come back to this thread at all?? Or is she still disinfecting her DDs welly boots after being in the oh so mucky outdoors?

Wish DD's school would take her class out to the woods for 5 hours, she'd love it.

Surely, on trips, the school sends a letter which includes the reminder that packed lunches should be disposable? So no lunchboxes, tupperware, reusable bottles, stuff that you don't want to get lost on the coach etc? I always put DD's in a paper bag with one of those little bottles of water they do for kids.

OP, you are being very precious. I doubt your child was drinkless, and if she was, you'll have to put it down to your own misunderstanding of what constitutes lunch on a school trip. Also, highly doubt anyone was perving on your child, regardless of where she pees

rabbitstew read what I wrote: "all OUR parent helpers" are CRB checked. There is a list in our school office and we have to check it before we're allowed to ask parents to help. I'm sorry if that's not the case in schools you know, but it IS the case in mine.

Also it is NOT true that all schools ensure it is only school staff who help take children to the toilet. I didn't say that either.

I want another parent in the class to come on here and give us their interpretation of events

Shares in Nivea....there's a difference between precious (all our children are precious) and precious precious. You know what the posters mean.

There's also a difference between being a concerned parent and looking for fault (which is not there) in professionals trying to educate your child.

They probably are busy lunching the op after the school refused to do any more trips. :o

Lynching

But clam, you said, "and for any child who was caught short, a caring CRB-checked adult helped her out ." I must have missed the OP saying that her child did a pee with a caring, CRB-checked adult helper and therefore thought that was you making an assumption. My apologies if actually, the OP thinks the person who helped her child pee was caring and CRB checked!

Mind you, I really don't see how the OP could have known that all 90 children had a caring, CRB checked person to help them pee...

Lunching the OP would be more amusing.

Or launching her.

:o

Anyway, you're splitting hairs here. It doesn't really matter. The OP seems to be convinced that whichever adult it may have been was secretly a paedophile.

katekate77

You do realise that sex offenders don't actually lurk around organised, supervised school trips in the hope of seeing a child's "foo" don't you ?

OP, YABU just on the basis of the use of the word "foo". As for the rest of it, well it just takes my breath away

Contrary to popular belief, there is NOT actually a paedophile lurking in every bush.
Any helper on a school trip will be either CRP checked or a parent helper, usually a mother.
Have you been on any of these trips?? How would helping a child do a wee behind a tree give anybody their jollies?

FGS.

I refuse to live in a world where I see danger and fear everywhere and from which I have to cocoon my 'precious' child at all times.
There is fun and excitement and wondrous new stuff out there - get them out there!!

Ive done a wee in the woods lots of times (and a poo once when I was very poorly and in the middle of nowhere) but it is actually a criminal offence

Not it's not

Hmmm ill change my nickname to Erm....lets see what's left....sara4321 and say ....my dc would also have felt the cold and possibly turned blue and 5 hours is far to long In the fresh air.... You simply must complain to the school....

Just because a child is unhappy doing something at the age of 5 does not have any impact on whether or not they will be happy doing the same or more adventurous at 15.

My DS at the age of 5 hated not being able to wash his hands and would have hated having to go to the loo in the woods. At 15 he is more than happy to sleep outside with a rifle for company and nothing to shelter him but the cadet sergeant's bellowing voice.

Many of the children at my DCs' primary school had confusing and chaotic home lives. For these children arriving at school every day in something like uniform with something like suitable shoes is challenge enough.

Just because some posters have seemingly made a hobby out of relieving themselves in the great outdoors and having suitable clothes for this does not make them better people. People have the clothes for the lives they lead. They dont keep a stock of random clothing for things they dont do.

Re CRB or DBS as I believe it is now, thise of you who are obsessed wth this; do your children ever go for tea with a friend? Have those parents been checked are you going to demand they are