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Has this school trip broke any regulations/laws?

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emma16 · 17/11/2013 08:31

I would appreciate some help here please, my 5 year old daughter went on a trip with 2 other classes from her school on Friday to a wood which I was initially concerned about as we go there ourselves on a Sunday etc for walks & have never seen any facilities there.
I raised my concerns with her teacher the week before they were due to go, to which she hardly knew anything of the trip & when i arrived at home time another teacher i know told me that she'd been there & there were facilities, and 'as if' they'd take 3 classes of kids somewhere where there wasnt!
I wasn't pretty hot about this trip seeing as they've waited until the middle of November to do it, and as any genuinely concerned parent, I was worried about how cold my daughter would be seeing as they were leaving just after 9am & not returning to school until 3.15pm.

Off she went anyway, but when my husband picked her up from the woods car park the first thing she said to him was 'im so thirst daddy & my head really hurts'. He brought her home & we found out that they had not taken their water bottle's with them & she'd had nothing to drink whatsoever all day, despite being active for 5 hours walking & doing activities.
We also found out that there were no toilets provided & her & 3 of her friends were taken by some assistant she doesn't know to wee behind a tree out in a public wood!!!
She also told us, when questioned by us, they never went in any buildings & were outside all day. They'd sat on little stools under a sheet to eat their pack lunchs.

Now some of you on here will think i'm over reacting no doubt & appreciate it if all you want to say is a snide comment about my over bearing parenting, but, in my opinion i feel they have done wrong.
I have made several enquiries with other people & as far as they know, there are no facilities whatsoever up at this wood, which my husband & I are going to visit this morning to find the country ranger & ask him himself.

If there aren't this means that no risk assessment could have been carried out, those teachers lied to my face after voicing my concerns, they let my daughter go without any fluids for over 5 hours despite being active & came home ill & with a headache, they let some stranger to her pull her pants down in a public wood to wee, and they gave them no form of shelter/heating for even a short period of time just to warm them up before going back out again.
Is any of this ok, does anyone with some knowledge actually know? From a parents point of view there's all sorts wrong with it. If there were facilities why did they choose not to use them?

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mammadiggingdeep · 17/11/2013 21:51

Kate...
Had been forced??? Where does it say that she was forced to pee behind a tree? In the other thread op says thee were loo's. they were obviously too far away from them. So...they quickly let her go behind a tree. If it was my daughter and it was go behind a tree or wet herself I know what is prefer.

Handbagsonnhold · 17/11/2013 21:52

"Forced to pull her pants down"

clam · 17/11/2013 21:53

Kate, the teacher did not lie to her. She was vague; it was some other woman the OP knew, who happened also to be a teacher, who said she'd been there before and there were facilities. Where's the lie?

Twirlychair · 17/11/2013 21:54

Pmsl @"forced to pull her pants down"

Pooka · 17/11/2013 21:56

A sex offender lurking in the woods on the off chance?

You're absolutely right - unlikely in the extreme.

The op didn't raise potential for random sex offenders as an issue. She was more concerned about the "stranger" (I.e. school employee) catching a foo-y glimpse. She didn't mention the forcing of pants either. But don't let that stop you frothing.

Would it have been better to let the child wet herself given they were probably some distance from the nearest loos? It being a woodland with a glorified shed with loos probably near the carpark/activity centre.

Katekate77 · 17/11/2013 22:04

Lol I meant forced to do a wee outside because she needed to go. Not forced literally! Figure of speech.

I'm not her sister, I'm an only child. I have twin girls and I was just saying I would feel the same as she's feeling.

Ive done a wee in the woods lots of times (and a poo once when I was very poorly and in the middle of nowhere) but it is actually a criminal offence.

Gosh mumsnet is nasty sometimes :(

Floggingmolly · 17/11/2013 22:06

It's a criminal offence to wee in the woods? Shock

clam · 17/11/2013 22:06

A criminal offence?? Seriously? Hmm

Katekate77 · 17/11/2013 22:08

Yeah my hubby said so, so I googled it. I'm a criminal Smile

clam · 17/11/2013 22:11

In public, maybe. But I'm not sure behind a tree in a wood counts as public.

Katekate77 · 17/11/2013 22:14

I don't think many people get arrested for it, but technically if a police officer caught you, and someone was offended by you doing your wee/poo, he could arrest you.

Just to clarify, I'm not a criminal, but I've done lots of wees in the woods. And one poo, as you know.

Handbagsonnhold · 17/11/2013 22:15

I must remember that next time I'm out with dd....must make her cross her legs until we get to 'glorified sheds' wouldn't want my 3 yr old arrested Hmm

mammadiggingdeep · 17/11/2013 22:15

Especially not a 5 year old caught short on a school trip.

Blimey...did the teacher factor in time in a cop shop in case a passing policeman decided to cart them all off for showing their 'foo foo's' in public?

clam · 17/11/2013 22:17

God, I hope that was on the risk assessment! Risk of getting half the class arrested.

SatinSandals · 17/11/2013 22:17

If you go walking for the entire day, as we do, you are most likely going to need to find a tree.

clam · 17/11/2013 22:18

Aha! So that's the OP's question answered! Has the school trip broke(n) any regulations/laws?
Clearly yes!

mammadiggingdeep · 17/11/2013 22:18

Think they should show all trainee teachers this thread.....

nocheeseinhouse · 17/11/2013 22:19

lawcommission.justice.gov.uk/docs/Legal_Oddities.pdf "there is no generally applicable offense of urinating in public."

Peeing in the woods is a NORMAL thing to do. Having not spent enough time outdoors with your daughter that she's never done it is really sad. Having such a warped view of normal activities is just strange...

clam · 17/11/2013 22:20

Nah. They'd all walk out.

Handbagsonnhold · 17/11/2013 22:20

Goodness yes....tittle of post answered and confirmed....

HowManyDaysUntilChristmas · 17/11/2013 22:21

That's it, no more school trips for me, just in case I can't get them to the toilet in time when they are busting, so we have go behind a bush and I could get us all arrested. Do you think that will wash with my head teacher and all the parents as an excuse to stay in my warm dry classroom for ever?

Handbagsonnhold · 17/11/2013 22:21

'Title' ..... sorry got a little excited re pending convictions

nocheeseinhouse · 17/11/2013 22:21

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18072905 (I should go and do something better.)

mammadiggingdeep · 17/11/2013 22:22

Or never want to bother taking their classes on trips...which would be a shame....would prepare them for the mums a d dads they might encounter during their career though!

ClayDavis · 17/11/2013 22:35

Obviously the teacher should have taken some of these with her. Or maybe 90 of these.

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