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Has this school trip broke any regulations/laws?

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emma16 · 17/11/2013 08:31

I would appreciate some help here please, my 5 year old daughter went on a trip with 2 other classes from her school on Friday to a wood which I was initially concerned about as we go there ourselves on a Sunday etc for walks & have never seen any facilities there.
I raised my concerns with her teacher the week before they were due to go, to which she hardly knew anything of the trip & when i arrived at home time another teacher i know told me that she'd been there & there were facilities, and 'as if' they'd take 3 classes of kids somewhere where there wasnt!
I wasn't pretty hot about this trip seeing as they've waited until the middle of November to do it, and as any genuinely concerned parent, I was worried about how cold my daughter would be seeing as they were leaving just after 9am & not returning to school until 3.15pm.

Off she went anyway, but when my husband picked her up from the woods car park the first thing she said to him was 'im so thirst daddy & my head really hurts'. He brought her home & we found out that they had not taken their water bottle's with them & she'd had nothing to drink whatsoever all day, despite being active for 5 hours walking & doing activities.
We also found out that there were no toilets provided & her & 3 of her friends were taken by some assistant she doesn't know to wee behind a tree out in a public wood!!!
She also told us, when questioned by us, they never went in any buildings & were outside all day. They'd sat on little stools under a sheet to eat their pack lunchs.

Now some of you on here will think i'm over reacting no doubt & appreciate it if all you want to say is a snide comment about my over bearing parenting, but, in my opinion i feel they have done wrong.
I have made several enquiries with other people & as far as they know, there are no facilities whatsoever up at this wood, which my husband & I are going to visit this morning to find the country ranger & ask him himself.

If there aren't this means that no risk assessment could have been carried out, those teachers lied to my face after voicing my concerns, they let my daughter go without any fluids for over 5 hours despite being active & came home ill & with a headache, they let some stranger to her pull her pants down in a public wood to wee, and they gave them no form of shelter/heating for even a short period of time just to warm them up before going back out again.
Is any of this ok, does anyone with some knowledge actually know? From a parents point of view there's all sorts wrong with it. If there were facilities why did they choose not to use them?

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HowManyDaysUntilChristmas · 17/11/2013 20:52

But did she remember to take a drink, clam, no one told her to?

Gileswithachainsaw · 17/11/2013 20:53

:o

teacherwith2kids · 17/11/2013 20:56

Mrz, PGL, early spring. Freezing. Snow. Had been like that for weeks.

Full clothes list, parents' meeting, whole thing. Affluent school. Child turns up for the first activity - T-shirt and thin waterproofs, ripped jeans. We say 'no, go back and put lots of layers on'. Child comes back with several T shirts on yop of each other. We say 'no, lots of layers of WARM clothes'. Turns out he hasn't brought any jumpers at all, and that was his only pair of long trousers, others were shorts.

Why didn't he bring any?

'I don't really have jumpers. At home if it's cold I don't go out and my parents drive me everywhere. They didn't think we'd really go outside if it was at all cold'.

Several adult leaders got very, very cold as they lent him all THEIR warm clothes each day....

Parents cross, to the point of swearing at staff, because we took their child outside when it was cold.

clam · 17/11/2013 20:56
Grin
clam · 17/11/2013 20:58

Sorry teacher that grin was to howmanydays.

Although you might qualify for one too. Or a Shock perhaps.

mrz · 17/11/2013 20:58

[doesn't know whether to laugh or cry]

clam · 17/11/2013 20:59

I can well believe it.

teacherwith2kids · 17/11/2013 21:02

(Said parents did also turn up nearly 2 hours after we returned, because 'the pick up time wasn't convenient for our work'. After a residential trip in icy weather with nigh on 100 kids, returning on the last day of term, we weren't best pleased even BEFORE they started swearing at us....)

mrz · 17/11/2013 21:03

I don't think the OP would pee in a glorified shed

rabbitstew · 17/11/2013 21:12

mrz - of course not. It would be preferable to pee behind a tree. Grin

mrz · 17/11/2013 21:16

unless there is a stranger staring at her foo

clam · 17/11/2013 21:16

As long as there are no dodgy types about to sneak a peek at her foo.

mrz · 17/11/2013 21:17

GMTA
Grin

clam · 17/11/2013 21:17

x-post! Grin

SatinSandals · 17/11/2013 21:17

I have known children turn up at school in thick snow without adequate clothing because they came by car and assumed they wouldn't go out, therefore when everyone went out, adults included, they were crying with cold and unable to enjoy it.

clam · 17/11/2013 21:18

You're a few seconds ahead of me mrz. I take it you're not trying to watch 'I'm a Celebrity' at the same time!

mammadiggingdeep · 17/11/2013 21:19

Good job we love our jobs...I always say it'd be the perfect job if we only had to deal with the kiddies :)

clam · 17/11/2013 21:21

But haven't we had people on here complaining about schools not taking their kids out to play in the snow with everyone else because they weren't dressed properly and were "being penalised" and "made to miss out."

[despairs]

spanieleyes · 17/11/2013 21:21

And we've had children turn up in unsuitable clothing ( think canvas shoes and no coat) for the snow and then have parents complain when their child has had to stay in at break because everyone else has been allowed out to play and their child hasn't. ( Apparently we should keep a complete store of spare clothes and shoes in all sizes just in case!)

spanieleyes · 17/11/2013 21:21

X post!!

clam · 17/11/2013 21:23

Just goes to show it's not that uncommon.

FrauMoose · 17/11/2013 21:25

'A duck may have seen my 'foo''

Sometimes I love Mumsnet.

mrz · 17/11/2013 21:27

Little Rabbit Foo Foo hopping through the forest

Katekate77 · 17/11/2013 21:43

Emma16

I would not be happy if my children went walking for 5 hours without a drink. It's basic human needs! If she forgot her drink, the teachers should have spare and ensure they're hydrated surely? I would not be happy that a teacher lied to me. But I would be FUCKING FUMING if my child had been forced to pull her pants down in a public park....unlikely there is a sex offender lurking in the woods I know but the world we live in is unfortunately horrible!!

I do agree that the trip sounded awesome in general and it was up to you to dress her properly (which you did) but I am really shocked that you've had all these comments about you over reacting about the other stuff. Get your ass to the school and complain, you sound like a great mum! Smile

mammadiggingdeep · 17/11/2013 21:49

Op...is your sister's name Kate??

Grin