Teachers do not adhere to Statemented 1 to 1 support, do not believe in sub-levels, make APP assessments up....How much of what parents are told by schools about teaching is a box ticking exercise?

[Regards]

Following on from this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/1859219-Im-a-teacher-and-happy-to-answer-any-questions

and this:
community.tes.co.uk/tes_primary/f/36/t/381051.aspx?pi2132219857=1

I realised I was incredibly gullible when my DC first started school. What exactly should we believe concerning what the teachers tell us, how much is a PR job to cover up the ugly truth?

The quality of SEN training for staff is extremely poor, at least the training I have been too (and I seen quite a bit). It is centred on how to lower your expectations, get the child who desperately needs interaction and communication practice mutely dependent on picture schedules so no adult support is needed to contain them in a mainstream classroom whilst they fail.

What on earth kind of SEN training have you been attending? I've worked in 4 LAs and thank fuck the SEN is a little more rigorous than this. I can see how your views have been coloured, but (and I really am going to bed now) I am so offended by your resolute attitude that the majority of teachers know nothing about SEN and selfishly pinch their support where possible, leaving their kids alone and stuck.

The teachers on the thread seem to have conceded there are schools that there are schools that fall short of the mark, but you don't mention a single experience of a school or teacher who's done well, or gone above and beyond.

That training is delivered by the people who have used their vast knowledge to put a statement together. So their training for staff is crap but not their recommendations for children with sen?

Do we think it is a conspiracy to badly prepare staff?

See my post, two below yours getstuffed where I have mentioned my dd's excellent teachers.

Incidently my parenting experiences of this subject are across 3 LA's, my voluntary experiences and professional experiences, considerably more.

Schools are failing our children with SEN due to their attitudes, ignorance about SEN and the culture and context within which they work.

Teachers work within that culture. Many teachers think it is okay to disregard the contents of a child's statement because it is 'contradictory', 'doesn't make sense', 'barmy' (according to the first thread linked in the OP).

These are not reasons to deny a child their specified support and to do so is to break the law.

In my experience (and I have a substantial amount now) it is the advisory services that put the training together, not multi-agency services.

It is also my experience that a decent specified and quantified statement will have significant input from experts independent from the Local Authority.

'Do we think it is a conspiracy to badly prepare staff? shock'

More like apathy.

Yes I did see what you said about your daughter's teacher, so I'll rephrase. You don't say a single positive thing about mainstream teachers' teaching of children with SEN. At all.

I have seen it with physical disabilities. I have never seen it with developmental disabilities. I doubt many teachers would agree, because they don't know what they don't know and many MANY teachers would refuse to be 'educated' by a mere parent.

I doubt many teachers would agree, because they don't know what they don't know and many MANY teachers would refuse to be 'educated' by a mere parent.

Breathtaking arrogance. Quite frankly I'd rather stick nails in my eyes than be "educated" by someone with your bawling, patronising sledgehammer manner. Couldn't give a shit if someone's a parent or not, but if someone told me "I wasn't aware of what I wasn't aware of" they'd get pretty short shrift. Do we refuse to be educated by parents who come in and show us how to administer Epi pens? Or spot signs of an epileptic fit? No. But we would bristle at someone who came in with a terrible "you know nothing attitude." As would anyone.

My sister-in-law is a teaching assistant who works one to one with an autistic child for most of the day in a regular primary school. His parents (his dad is a GP) have put him on a strict gluten free diet - I don't know whether it is because he has tested gluten intolerant or whether they are considering a link between gluten and autism. But my SIL laughed her head off as she told me that she takes him in Jammie Dodgers as a secret 'treat' and lets him share her sandwiches. She thought his parents were just 'being tight'

Who wants apologies? Not me! I want acknowledgement that MANY schools do the absolute best for SEN children and give them their legal support, enabling them to progress and be happy.

And you're entirely wrong about seizures. There hundreds of types and variations of seizures, which makes dealing with them completely UN straightforward.

An epileptic fit cannot be ignored in the same way as bottled up anxiety can, or masked confusion, or avoidance strategies dressed up as ignorance. It cannot be denied in the ways these things can either.

And it cannot be blamed on the parents.

And who is denying these things? Who is blaming the parents? Is it ALL schools? ALL teachers?
Or some?

Well I haven't come across one who hasn't, except for my dd's nursery teacher who I wonder would have been half as competent had she had to deal with me as ds' nursery teacher.

And I have dealt with a lot of schools having moved 5 times in 7 years and worked in schools in a professional capacity albeit not in SEN, but enough to have seen some scary attitudes about SEN which I can now understand ARE scary in hindsight with my more recent experiences.

'I want acknowledgement that MANY schools do the absolute best for SEN children and give them their legal support, enabling them to progress and be happy.'

I can say only that most teachers do care about the children in their charge and do their best in the context of their circumstances and ignorance about SEN and their prejudices against parents of children with SEN.

Well I feel very said that you haven't met some of the brilliantly dedicated teachers there are in the UK who manage to help SEN children reach their full potential, very, very sad.
A shame you don't acknowledge they are out there. As someone with such a passion maybe you could have shared ideas, practices and strategies with such teachers.

Then what was the point of this thread Starlight when you are so sure we are all shit and plan ways to ignore children who need support?

seriously.

Thank you. That is my plan.

I didn't start the thread.

I was referring to the comments not the title. I appreciate it was badly worded.

Thank you. That is my plan.
Well bloody good luck going in with the attitude that everyone's shit and dishonest!

Zzzz - my experience of hip surgeons is entirely negative, the only experience I have of them is fuck-ups, yet I have enough common sense to realise this PROBABLY doesn't mean all hip surgeons are incompetents.