phonics experts -come and settle an argument

[sausagesandwich34]

scone it's an oldy but a goody!

pronounced to rhyme with cone or gone?

does the magic 'e' come into play?

does the magic 'e' even exist anymore?

[learnandsay]

That's not what I'm reading. I'm reading about some people's vast experience and clearly knowing what they're talking about.

[Feenie]

Different tenses have the same meaning is clearly knowing what she's talking about?!! Really?

So one teacher says one thing that's incorrect, and you make it your entire raison d'etre, visiting the boards several times a day, over and over, to rubbish anyone who dares say they have any expertise at all in teaching reading?

How bizarre

[Missbopeep]

lands- why don't you train as a teacher and put all this good sense of yours into practise then?

You are all over the education forums like a rash, dishing out advice.

On what basis you feel you are the person to do this I can't begin to imagine.

[learnandsay]

That's just one example. There is a general attitude abroad that teachers are always right because they're teachers. It's wrong.

[learnandsay]

You don't need a basis to enter a public forum. You just need a browser window.

[Feenie]

Ah. Now we are getting to it.

Learnandsay, that kind of attitude is just bonkers.

[Feenie]

I fitted one car stereo successfully - I am not going to stomp all over any mechanics' forums claiming I am an expert, and they always pretend to be so right, because that would make me a little...er...unhinged. And somewhat paranoid.

[Missbopeep]

lands if your reference to " different tenses etc etc" was aimed at me, let me remind you of one thing.
On that thread Haberdasher came along and agreed with me. She pointed out as I had for ages that you were making a meal out of something that was simply tenses and we asked if you couldn't see that. You disappeared as soon as another poster came along to agree with me.

I was not mistaken. If there was any mistake it was on your behalf- failing to understand what people were telling you. The other poster went further than i did and asked if English was in fact your mother tongue or if( she alluded) you were simply dim not to understand what we were both saying.

I find your arrogance offensive. I have taught English for 30+ years and have specialist training in addition in teaching literacy, yet you rubbish this and remark that you don't want to know about me. Well tough. You do know now and I am a damn sight more qualified to comment and advise than you.

[learnandsay]

Feenie, nobody should fear being contradicted. If your arguments are sound they will triumph. If they're not they probably shouldn't be put into a public forum. In a public forum anybody can challenge anything.

[mrz]

Don't you ever feel lonely as the only voice in the wilderness learnandsay?

[learnandsay]

Nope.

[Feenie]

Feenie, nobody should fear being contradicted. If your arguments are sound they will triumph.

My views on fitting car steroes? Not really. Because I have only fitted one, you see. And it would be a bit demented to stalk a load of mechanics because I have a)fitted one stereo and b)think the attitude that mechanics know everything about cars because they are mechanics is just wrong.

Bonkers

[mrz]

I suppose swimming against the tide is good exercise learnandsay

[learnandsay]

It's a public forum. What part of the phrase public forum are you having trouble with?

[mrz]

I don't think anyone has a problem with public forums. If I was I would ask someone who knew what they were talking about to explain wouldn't you

[learnandsay]

I would disagree.

Feenie seems to think she's being stalked in this one, or so she just said. The whole concept of a public forum is that anyone can log in. (That's the public bit.) And the forum bit means that they can discuss their ideas. It's an old idea. It's been around for quite a while.

[mrz]

However internet stalking on public forums is a criminal offence learnandsay

[Haberdashery]

or if( she alluded) you were simply dim not to understand what we were both saying

Actually, I didn't mean that lands was a bit dim as I don't think that's the case at all. I think she is probably quite intelligent in some ways. I meant something else. I think she has a problem with taking things too literally sometimes and finds it hard to grasp implied meaning and other shades of linguistic grey that most people take into account almost automatically, although of course anyone can have a misunderstanding. However, I don't want to get into another argument. I just wanted to point out that I wasn't being as rude as you clearly thought I was!

[learnandsay]

Of course it is. If feenie thinks that she's being stalked then she needs to report it. All I can say is that if anyone feels so vulnerable that being contradicted in a public forum makes them think that they are being stalked then they should probably not post in them.

[mrz]

Aren't you contradicting your own statement there learnandsay ... isn't a public forum where anyone can post if they wish.

[learnandsay]

I don't believe so. To be able to post isn't the same as to be advised to post. Vertigo sufferers may take up tightrope walking. But they would probably be advised not to do so.

What I'm saying is that if someone who isn't being stalked confuses criticism for stalking and actually believes that she is being stalked in a forum, when in reality all she's doing is discussing ideas, then she would probably be better advised not to post in the forum. (She may choose to ignore that advice. But if she does then she can't complain about being stalked because she's not being stalked and she's in the forum by choice.)

[learnandsay]

Feenie, if you can't deal with argument and counter argument in a public forum then don't post in public fora. But for God's sake don't post in them and then complain that other people do too. If you don't like public fora then avoid them.

[Missbopeep]

People who have ASD can take language very literally and lack empathy.

[mrz]

I think your tendency to follow those who disagree with you from thread to thread has been pointed out before learnandsay .are you sure you aren't lonely