phonics experts -come and settle an argument

[sausagesandwich34]

scone it's an oldy but a goody!

pronounced to rhyme with cone or gone?

does the magic 'e' come into play?

does the magic 'e' even exist anymore?

[Missbopeep]

Masha

With respect, your particular interest in the vagaries of English spelling has no real relevance on a forum which helps parents address their child's reading and spelling problems.

The work you have done is of interest, perhaps, to adults who want to know how spelling evolved. You are clearly promoting a cause but I don't think that MN is the place to do it.

I have looked at your books and reviews- most of which are NOT good! Abd you appear to be self-published. I wonder if you are in danger of over stepping the mark here with self-publicity for your work using this forum as a vehicle?

I am an author too of education & parenting books published by a mainstream publisher- but I would not "out myself" here as it would be a covert advert - which is not allowed.

[Missbopeep]

learn- you should best avoid giving lectures on discipline.

Your inability to grasp the fact that verbs change tense/spelling but still essentially retain their definition was proof that you find logic rather tricky!

I feel quite sorry for you TBH. You come over as someone who possibly has had a rough time at school yourself ( very "us" and "them" attitude to teachers sometimes displayed here) and I don't know what motivates you to a) dish out advice as if you are an expert and b) keep coming back to argue with people who are qualified.

It's just an odd way to behave. I hope you are okay in RL- because you come over here as a bit sad and angry.

[learnandsay]

I'm sorry. missbo. All your posts look like random rants to me.

[learnandsay]

All I can say to you is: This is a public forum. Deal with it.

[solidfoundation]

Depends where you live, I would say. Same with 'book', 'took' etc.

[Missbopeep]

I am dealing with it fine. It's you I am worried about.

[learnandsay]

I don't think randomly ranting counts as fine.

[simpson]

God, is this argument thread still going??

[frantic53]

Interesting discussion. I would agree with "learnandsay" inasmuch as there are some teachers out there who are, sadly, not worth their pay-packet. One of DD2's teachers is a case in point. There is an old saying that, "those who can, do, and those who can't, teach". I'm sure I'd make a lousy classroom teacher as I would find disciplining a bunch of teenagers impossible, [short on patience emoticon] but I have been very disappointed to find that a head of department just doesn't know her subject at all! (I am a graduate in that same subject).

Back to the subject of, "scon" vs "scone", DD1 told me some time ago that she had heard an interesting talk on the radio in which it was claimed that they were originally two totally different things. A, "scon", apparantly, was originally an oatmeal based cake or biscuit and a, "scone" a type of leavened bread cake. I'm not sure how true that is and, it being Saturday and before 3pm, daren't ring DD1 and rouse her from her student Saturday morning lie in for fear of being cursed!

[Feenie]

Interesting discussion. I would agree with "learnandsay" inasmuch as there are some teachers out there who are, sadly, not worth their pay-packet.

There are a few, as in any profession. But I don't think that fact makes it necessary for learnandsay to jump on every thread about reading and trash every post.

[frantic53]

Feenie I didn't say it did and I wasn't commenting on learnandsay's pre-disposition to do that or not as I have no personal experience of her or any of the threads to which you refer. Simply saying that, "I have had x year's experience of teaching this subject" doesn't automatically make you an expert. imo [bsmile]

[Missbopeep]

I would agree 100% that there are teachers not fit for purpose! As a teacher and a parent I have seen them from both sides. I do other work as well as teach ( that's p/t now)- I am an author.

But more to the point there are bad apples in every sphere of life- GPs, lawyers, dentists, plumbers- you name them! But what riles is not being given any credit at all for experience which is actually relevant.

[Feenie]

No, but 'I have 20+ years' experience and have successfully taught hundreds of children to read' does make you an expert.

[frantic53]

Good grief! I wish I hadn't mentioned it at all now! [bsmile] Was hoping that if my post got any notice at all it would be the second part [bhmm]

I warned you all that I'm not long on patience but I'll give it a go.

On a forum like this, no-one knows what your RL experience actually is. So, in this case, it doesn't count for anything. All that really counts is how knowledgeably you can communicate on your specialist subject. I could claim to be a nuclear physicist with 20+ year's experience in the field but how many of you would know if that were true or not? (I'm not btw [bgrin] )

Insofar as fora go, you really are only as good as you post.

Hope that clears my, very insignificant, point up? [bsmile]

[mrz]

I think anyone who actually was a nuclear physicist reading your post would have a pretty good idea frantic53, just as teachers have a pretty good idea of those you do teach and those who say they teach [bwink].

[frantic53]

I think you mean, "those who do teach" mrz? Otherwise your post makes no sense! [bwink] [bgrin] You're not a teacher I take it?

[Missbopeep]

If you take the cynical approach that lots of posters are lying about themselves then you may as well not join forums.

Most posters give advice in good faith- when TBH we/they could be spending time on other things that benefit us or our families !


I can't answer for other posters and yes, accept that people can masquerade as something they are not- but most people using forums understand that.

[frantic53]

Not cynical at all Missbopeep, just realistic. How does one separate the masquerading from the genuine, perhaps by the quality of what they post, no? And so the merry-go-round goes on merrily round. Forgive me if I get off at this point [bgrin]

[MerryCouthyMows]

I rhyme 'scone' with bone. I'm not trying to be posh - it's just how it's always been pronounced in my family.

My Ex pronounces 'scone' to rhyme with gone. He is most definitely not posh.

To me, it will always be pronounced to rhyme with bone, it sounds 'wrong' to my ears when it is pronounced to rhyme with gone.

And the post about language history was very interesting.

[MerryCouthyMows]

I may well seek out MashaBell's books. I for one find her posts interesting and informative.

[learnandsay]

A nuclear scientist with any sense wouldn't be posting on mumsnet. She would be publishing articles in a scientific journal. If you post on mumsnet your posting just gets the reception that it gets whether you like it or not.

[bruffin]

I use both [bconfused]

[mrz]

A nuclear scientist with any sense wouldn't be posting on mumsnet. no but they could be posting on a professional forum when up pops a well known poster from MN to join in the fun and give an opinion ...because it's a public forum and anyone can post.

[Feenie]

A nuclear scientist with any sense wouldn't be posting on mumsnet. She would be publishing articles in a scientific journal. If you post on mumsnet your posting just gets the reception that it gets whether you like it or not.

But in any other profession on MN, it doesn't happen - in the examples I have given such as the legal boards, breastfeeding, etc, there are no such stalkers posters who say 'I did it once, I am therefore entitled to post as an expert on every single thread'. So why is that?