phonics experts -come and settle an argument

[sausagesandwich34]

scone it's an oldy but a goody!

pronounced to rhyme with cone or gone?

does the magic 'e' come into play?

does the magic 'e' even exist anymore?

No, that's a mistake. I think awe and or are not homophones oar ends with a pronounced r and awe doesn't. I've just been repeating them.

The yes referred to the entire homophone not simply to the word on the right.

what about or, ore, awe, oar
alm & arm

You can stress the r on the end of or, ore and oar if you want to. If you were having an argument with somebody and said don't stick your oar in, stressing the r they would understand you perfectly. You could stress an r in awesome - orsome and it would be perfectly understandable although clearly not the way that I speak. The r in arm is detectable just as it is in art or heart.

Several posters acknowledge regional accent differences, but then go on to say,'the r in...' and the 'ur in...' which is given as a definitive, therefore not acknowledging these.
Surely a lot of the time, the argument is moot because words are said differently and RP is no longer considered the only 'correct' way?

It seems to me that the problem is that some people have defined certain sound groupings and are insisting that other people use their definitions. Hearing doesn't work like that. Every person hears what they hear. Hearing is personal. There may be a codified method of describing the sounds in words but nobody is forced to use it. Anybody can feel free to describe what they hear just as they would describing bird songs or any other sounds.

Isn't that Robert Burns' point? The people who understand you understand you and the ones who don't don't.

He wrote poems in dialect.

would be interesting to see if there was any research into how quickly children learn to read and spell with different regional accents. I know my daughter has struggled with a couple of words because we live in an area i was not brought up in and so far she has my accent and way of talking rather than the local one.

she is also lazy and says 'f' instead of 'th' so often spells that wrong.

If we try to force everyone to use the same descriptions of sounds then we're not really talking about sounds at all we're simply talking about one set of sound definitions.

He wrote poems in dialect.
So did Shakespeare

and no one is trying to force people to use the same description of sounds but you do realise that the International Phonetic Alphabet has been around since the 19th C and that the rules of articulation were written in 750CE

What rules would they be? English as we know it didn't exist in 750.

Children writing in an accent occurs all the time. I have taught across the length of the UK_ minus Scotland and Wales, though have taught Scottish pupils on a 1:1 basis and had huge issues with words like "put" as they say "poot".

In the north east, pupils try to write in "Geordie" whereas in the south they often add an "r" in bath, for instance. And in the south east, V in brother , mother, instead of a th sound is a classic.

Trainspotting and A Clockwork Orange are both written in dialect.

and the authors were able to write them in dialect because they understood phonics learnandsay ...so I'm not sure what your point is.

I grew up in the West Country where everyone I knew pronounced it 's-cone'. Those that pronounced it 'sconn' were considered to be very, very, posh (pronounced 've-hy, ve-hy poshe'). Most folk I've met elsewhere in the UK, and everyone I've met in Scotland where I live, opts for 'sconn', and they think that to say 's-cone' is ve-hy, ve-hy poshe.

and did I say the rules of articulation were written for modern English (clearly as they were written in 750CE that isn't the case)

which rules

They are actually called The Rules Of Articulation learnandsay.