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Infant School pushing to report me to SS for neglect. Can they do that?

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pylonic · 08/01/2013 18:40

My DD age 5.5 has had a poor lateness record since the beginning of Year 1. No excuses really, I only lived a 9 minute walk from school but we were late almost every day for at least 6 months. I had trouble sleeping but not to the point of Insomnia, just kept oversleeping through the alarm clock most times (dreaded snooze button).

She's also had some absence, genuine though, illness and doc's appointments.

Last year I was advised by letter that unless lateness improved the school would be referring us to a welfare officer.
3 months ago we had to move out of the village to a nearby town but no transfers in new town for DD so she still attends old school. Because I have had to rely on buses, we have been late again quite a few times, or other people that I have relied on to drive her in for me have been late traffic etc or there's been other logistical problems, so presumably the record isn't improving.

Today the head teacher called my Mum in for a word (I'm 44...why they need to call my Mummy I don't know), and the gist was as follows:

My children are being neglected because I have insomnia (I don't, I just needed to put some excuse down in the late book. Quite tame compared to other regularly late people's excuses), so they want to involve social services.

I have been seen in the village shop with my children buying chocolate bars. And that's it. I don't know what they mean by this? :/

My daughter has turned up without a cardigan on at least two occasions in 'extreme weather'. This constitutes neglect. But they are quick to complain if she's wearing a different colour cardigan to school because her two logo tops are in the wash.

She often has a chocolate drink in her lunchbox.

This is a very cliquey village, hence glad to have left it behind, but although the late record is admittedly quite dire, is it generally worthy of involving social services for neglect?

The head teacher and I "don't have a dialogue" she told my Mum, hence why she called her in to talk to instead.

I've only spoken to the head once, when I had to inform them about the children's father's DV past so that they do not let him take DD out of school without my permission.

I bristle under authority having come into my Catholic rebellion quite late in life, but I'm generally non-combative.

So I'm wondering what you think of my request, in that I want toask the head to write down all the concerns she has so I have it in writing, and then invite her to my home in order that she can ascertain for herself it is a proper, clean, comfortable and sustaining environment for the children.

I feel a bit Hmmmmm that she has gone 'running to my Mummy' instead of talking to me, the parent, especially considering this late book has been full of the same old, same old pupils including my sister's son, for the last couple of years, but I feel a bit singled out perhaps wrongly, I don't know, because of the whole single mother on benefits stereotype, DV background, and now they want social services to investigate the children for neglect.

The children's father also wants to play this card against me, so I'm just resigned to SS being involved in their lives anyway it's out of my control.

My DD is otherwise happy, bright, doing fine at school and paints happy pictures all the time.

Can an infant school really go down this route when there isn't actually any clear signs of any kind of neglect going on? It seems unfair to tar my DD with this brush and I'm also concerned how this is going to affect her In Year transfer to a school in our new town.

I think this is just a rant, it all seems to be out of my control. The head has a reputation for being an axe-grinder and their Ofsted isn't great for a village school. The conspiracy theorist in me is saying its all about the grades.

Hs anyone been investigated by SS before for neglect? What should I expect? Will it go against me in the forthcoming Vafcass report which their father wants to initiate too as part of his contact/custody case?

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teacherwith2kids · 08/01/2013 20:43

"We refused the offer of the only school place available. It is in the worst Ofsted rated school and is a good mile away. Given my history, it's preferable to stay on the waiting list for the school at the end of our road. "

You can do both - accept the 1 mile away place AND stay on the waiting list.

Tbh, the Ofsted rating is not what will have an effect on her education atm. It is her persistent lateness, and perhaps a general disregard of / lack of respect for school. Moving to a closer school should - if you can be bothered, and at least it would give you one less excuse - deal with the lateness immediately, AND save you money which (if you wish) you could continue to spend on packed lunches, though tbh I would suggest that FSM with a careful eye on the menu and possibly a food diary for a few weeks would be a better option.

TheSecondComing · 08/01/2013 20:43

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TunaPastaBake · 08/01/2013 20:44

Incidentally, if you are 4 miles from school in a village location, are you not eligible for some sort of school bus arangement, free travel???

OP turned down a school a mile away from her new home so I would think any chance of free travel to old school is out the window !

amillionyears · 08/01/2013 20:46

pylonic, that was a better last post.
You do sound resigned to ss getting involved.
But I am not sure they would be necessarily brought in if you speak to the Head.
You seem to have lost some hope about it.
Do you feel able to ring up the school to ask for an appointment with the Head?
And maybe take someone with you when you have the appointment, to help make it all seem a bit less scary?

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 08/01/2013 20:46

Pylonic honey why not accept the SS referral and the help they can offer you? Some good might come of it, for both your DD and yourself.

namchan · 08/01/2013 20:47

Ah, so no it hasn't made you question anything at all really. Shame.

Hope you're feeling able to read this back tomorrow and step outside of yourself for a bit. Would be in your daughters best interest and ultimately yours too.

Perriwinkle · 08/01/2013 20:47

Pylonic. You don't self diagnose depression but if you toddle along to your GP and have a chat he/she will have a bash at diagnosing you I'm sure. A lot of people out there are living on the edge and ADs help to keep them functioning. Surely you've got to think it's worth looking into for the sake of your children's wellbeing and welfare?

And if you only take away one piece of advice from this thread, please take that of GinAndaDashOfLimeTue 08-Jan-13 20:17:57

Portofino · 08/01/2013 20:47

I would LET SS help you. It sounds as if you need it. Why not get a plan in place and sort this all out?

amillionyears · 08/01/2013 20:47

ah,I think I may have missed possibly a whole page of posts.

EnjoyResponsibly · 08/01/2013 20:48

The confidential information part is not the major part to take away with you.

It maybe a part, but it's secondary to he fact that posters in the know have advised you yes you could be in trouble with various agencies because of things you could correct.

Surely that's the major thing to take away?

pylonic · 08/01/2013 20:49

Mynewmoniker says

'Can Jeremy Kyle possibly help you, sweetheart?'

Eew. What a horribly prejudiced attitude you have.

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amillionyears · 08/01/2013 20:49

Try not to just focus on the bit of the thread that you liked.

scottishmummy · 08/01/2013 20:49

can i suggest dont be lazy, cba, and rebellious. be open,amenable and engaged
do accept the fsm, sure theyre not haute cuisine but hot and nutritious and free
if you present as amenable and engaged this will all feel better for you and progress well

JambalayaCodfishPie · 08/01/2013 20:50

The only real point of interest and usefulness to me Ihavegleaned from this is the head teacher's action in relaying confidential information, which may be unlawful as some of you have suggested. So that is the major point I will be taking away from this.

This is the major point? Not acceptance of anything you could do better, just the fact that you have ammunition against someone with genuine concerns for your daughter? Hmm

pylonic · 08/01/2013 20:52

I've noticed that mrsrudolph. I asked for all old posts to be withdrawn as someone in real life had recognised my online footsteps. They don't seem to have withdrawn them all though, just random ones.

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SueFlaysAgainstTheDaleks · 08/01/2013 20:52

Also, youcan claim FSM but still send in a packed lunch if there's a day when the menu doesn't suit.

pylonic · 08/01/2013 20:53

Graceparkhill

She thinks it is none of their business. My daughter is thriving.

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scottishmummy · 08/01/2013 20:53

major point to take away is your actions have caused concern.address that.pronto
whats your daily routine,nutrition like, is your health ok.do you see gp for depression

pylonic · 08/01/2013 20:54

Namchan

You must be confusing me with someone else.
My daughter doesn't have lice nor has she had them in her hair for several months.

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McBalls · 08/01/2013 20:54

Has been asked already, but not answered:

how do your finances affect getting to school on time? Would make sense if you we're saying she couldn't get there at all but you're not...

And I was thinking the head mentioning you buying chocolate was ridiculous, but wondering now if it was a financial thing rather than nutritional - ie you tell the school there is literally not the money to get dd to school (on time?) yet you buy chocolate and they just wanted to point out that actually it is within your control to prioritise more responsibly.

NorthernLurker · 08/01/2013 20:55

If somebody recognises you then you need to namechange.

OP - get a grip on yourself for the sake of your kids please. Are you going to get her there on time tomorrow?

LIZS · 08/01/2013 20:55

Going back to your original question . Yes the school has a duty to report circumstances which lead them to even question the welfare of a child, similarly that could apply to any childminder, nursery, club leader, guider etc, or even fellow parent . The school should have a Safeguarding policy which you coudl ask to see if not on website and there will be a system of reporting issues to named individuals which might include a specific member of staff then LA , SS, Police etc depending on the nature and urgency of it. The HT is not there to judge you but to pass concerns on to the relevant agency. If the Ofsted of this school isn't great what is the risk in moving to the one you were offered if it removes some of the barriers to your child accessing the full benefit of education.

As to the conversation between HT and your mother , was the word "neglect" really mentioned or is that perhaps her interpretation. I'd be surprised if it went beyond the factual examples.

pylonic · 08/01/2013 20:56

McBalls

A lot of people seem to be cross referencing past threads, so if I can direct you there too you will find all the answers you need.

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DoodlesNoodles · 08/01/2013 20:57

If you are worried that you have been recognised on mumsnet dont you think you should change your nickname Confused

namchan · 08/01/2013 20:58

Oh right, sorry then, just going on the posts upthread. Apologies if I misunderstood the conversation between you and TSC, unintentional.

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