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Infant School pushing to report me to SS for neglect. Can they do that?

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pylonic · 08/01/2013 18:40

My DD age 5.5 has had a poor lateness record since the beginning of Year 1. No excuses really, I only lived a 9 minute walk from school but we were late almost every day for at least 6 months. I had trouble sleeping but not to the point of Insomnia, just kept oversleeping through the alarm clock most times (dreaded snooze button).

She's also had some absence, genuine though, illness and doc's appointments.

Last year I was advised by letter that unless lateness improved the school would be referring us to a welfare officer.
3 months ago we had to move out of the village to a nearby town but no transfers in new town for DD so she still attends old school. Because I have had to rely on buses, we have been late again quite a few times, or other people that I have relied on to drive her in for me have been late traffic etc or there's been other logistical problems, so presumably the record isn't improving.

Today the head teacher called my Mum in for a word (I'm 44...why they need to call my Mummy I don't know), and the gist was as follows:

My children are being neglected because I have insomnia (I don't, I just needed to put some excuse down in the late book. Quite tame compared to other regularly late people's excuses), so they want to involve social services.

I have been seen in the village shop with my children buying chocolate bars. And that's it. I don't know what they mean by this? :/

My daughter has turned up without a cardigan on at least two occasions in 'extreme weather'. This constitutes neglect. But they are quick to complain if she's wearing a different colour cardigan to school because her two logo tops are in the wash.

She often has a chocolate drink in her lunchbox.

This is a very cliquey village, hence glad to have left it behind, but although the late record is admittedly quite dire, is it generally worthy of involving social services for neglect?

The head teacher and I "don't have a dialogue" she told my Mum, hence why she called her in to talk to instead.

I've only spoken to the head once, when I had to inform them about the children's father's DV past so that they do not let him take DD out of school without my permission.

I bristle under authority having come into my Catholic rebellion quite late in life, but I'm generally non-combative.

So I'm wondering what you think of my request, in that I want toask the head to write down all the concerns she has so I have it in writing, and then invite her to my home in order that she can ascertain for herself it is a proper, clean, comfortable and sustaining environment for the children.

I feel a bit Hmmmmm that she has gone 'running to my Mummy' instead of talking to me, the parent, especially considering this late book has been full of the same old, same old pupils including my sister's son, for the last couple of years, but I feel a bit singled out perhaps wrongly, I don't know, because of the whole single mother on benefits stereotype, DV background, and now they want social services to investigate the children for neglect.

The children's father also wants to play this card against me, so I'm just resigned to SS being involved in their lives anyway it's out of my control.

My DD is otherwise happy, bright, doing fine at school and paints happy pictures all the time.

Can an infant school really go down this route when there isn't actually any clear signs of any kind of neglect going on? It seems unfair to tar my DD with this brush and I'm also concerned how this is going to affect her In Year transfer to a school in our new town.

I think this is just a rant, it all seems to be out of my control. The head has a reputation for being an axe-grinder and their Ofsted isn't great for a village school. The conspiracy theorist in me is saying its all about the grades.

Hs anyone been investigated by SS before for neglect? What should I expect? Will it go against me in the forthcoming Vafcass report which their father wants to initiate too as part of his contact/custody case?

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Blu · 08/01/2013 20:26

Pylonic, it sounds as if you have had and are having a rough time. But nevertheless your dd is happy and thriving. Which is good.

There's nothing on your OP that suggests actual neglect, but you do seem to be struggling a bit. Many people do, it isn't anything for anyone to feel defensive about.

I would guess that the Head spoke to your Mum because she knows her a bit and was trying to reach you via a sympathetic route so that you would listen to a well meant 'heads up'. In strict terms it breaks confidentiality, but if her intentions were good, why make an enemy.

The way I see it you can face all this in one of two ways. Be honest with yourself about where there is a problem and deal with it. If you are suffering with depression, do go to your GP. It really helps. ADs for 9 months saved me from a downward spiral. Sort the lateness. It will be good for your DD, it will give you a sense of achievement, and get the welfare officer off your back. Talk to the Head about your need for a transfer if you can't manage the bus fares and the unreliable public transport. In fact, go in and talk calmly with the Head.

Or you can turn this into a massive battle, looking ever more inward and seeing the world as your enemy.

Turn this around to your advantage and walk on by with your head held high.

Good luck.

TheSecondComing · 08/01/2013 20:29

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NorthernLurker · 08/01/2013 20:29

There doesn't have to be intent for there to be neglect. Disorganisation can lead to neglect. It's not ok because the parent pleads being a bit crap rather than being a bit mean.

givemeaclue · 08/01/2013 20:30

But you couldn't get to school on time even when lived next to it so how is getting into a nearer school going to help?

Bottom line is you ave great advice on here re how to get organised to get to school on time. Give it a go, you don't want to be fined by education welfare

teacherwith2kids · 08/01/2013 20:30

OP, I would ask which is more likely to harm your child's education:

  1. Being at a school that you cannot afford to get her to and choose not to get there on time (do you pick up on time?), where the OPfsted is good but you choose to let her miss school time rather that prioritising this OR
  1. Being placed on a temporary basis at a much closer school that you could walk to, with a relatively poor Ofsted.

Get on the phone tomorrow, get your child into a school where she can get there on time at no cost by accepting the place that you were given, and sign her up for FSM. Remain on the In year Admissions waiting list, as accepting the school 1 mile away will have no effect on the school that you really want.

The means to get your child to school on time, every day, is there for the taking, and is free (actually net positive to you as it will immediately save you the bus fare). Do it tomorrow.

CheckpointCharlie · 08/01/2013 20:31

How rude of you to barge into the nativity play with your son. The rule is there so that if small children make a noise and the parents don't take them out they dont totally spoil the play. Why should you be exempt from that rule???

You seem to be set against the school in everything, you have a very obvious contempt for the education system, you have made your daughter late for over six months, which is unacceptable and your daughter will have been stressed about that, whether you have noticed is debatable.

You need to go and speak to the head. She is your child and your responsibility.

You are in the wrong.

Also school doesn't have spares so that people who can't be bothered to send their child into school in proper clothes can wear them, they are for children who fall over in the mud or get wet at playtime.

pylonic · 08/01/2013 20:32

BooCanary

Indifferent probably. Resigned. I'm not shocked, just mildly surprised. Not victimised, just curious about the process really. Problem with these threads is some people do not read their entirety and can jump in with random tangents (ie, nits? Where did that come from and why?)

For the benefit of everyone suggesting otherwise, I take full responsibility for my daughter, I don't feel victimised, agree that I have been lazy and blamed it on past issues with their father, and the point of the thread is to ask how many of you have been investigated by SS for neglect at infant school.

If you prefer to ignore that and rush in with all your cod psychology and build some kind of profile of me, I don't suppose I can stop you. Although of course it's very difficult to accurately build a picture of a complete stranger based on a few lines in an online forum.

Anyhow, apologies if I sound lax, I'm not the usual poster who can be easily riled with criticism or insults, been onMumsnet far too many years for that. But thank you for all your replies so far, there are some very interesting views for which I'm genuinely grateful.

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Mrsrudolphduvall · 08/01/2013 20:32

Why have nearly all your posts on other threads been withdrawn?

NcNcNcNc · 08/01/2013 20:33

If you just stopped being so combative and admitted you needed help there are loads on here who could supply it.

Just say you are finding it hard and take the help for your dd.

('Help' as in advice/time not money obv.)

thesnootyfox · 08/01/2013 20:34

Agree with teacherwith2kids. Spot on advice and entirely sensible given the circumstances.

teacherwith2kids · 08/01/2013 20:35

MrsRudolph, I had presumed so that it becomes difficult to 'build up some kind of profile' which might shed a different light on this part-story. But that may just be me.

NorthernLurker · 08/01/2013 20:36

'the point of the thread is to ask how many of you have been investigated by SS for neglect at infant school'

Ah ok then. Well I have three dcs, third in Year 1 atm and no I've never been investigated for neglect. Hth.

Graceparkhill · 08/01/2013 20:37

Do you mind me asking what your mother thinks? What was the outcome of the conversation with the HT from her perspective ?

pylonic · 08/01/2013 20:38

Northern lurker

HahaGrin yes you are right, I'd have to get out of bed for that! Point taken Smile

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pylonic · 08/01/2013 20:38

Thesnootyfox

Read up thread for an sewer to that.

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pylonic · 08/01/2013 20:38

Answer, even, not sewer!

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namchan · 08/01/2013 20:38

Why did your daughter have dead lice in her hair for months? Why are you preventing her from accessing free school meals, which would free up money to get her to school on time?

Is this thread in any way making you question if the school have a point and that perhaps you are not coping and it is to the detriment of your child?

SueFlaysAgainstTheDaleks · 08/01/2013 20:39

The current school should be able to provide you with a copy of their menu, so that you can see what meals are on offer daily.

Not claiming FSM when you're both eligible and in severe financial difficulty seems daft.

Did you atthe very least pay a visit to the school that you were offered, or did you dismiss it purely on the ofsted report?

It sounds like it's your mum doing a lot of the drop offs/pick ups. Is she not able to arrive at yours earlier to ensure that she's dropping off on time?

Mynewmoniker · 08/01/2013 20:40

"been onMumsnet far too many years"

Then you should know better.

Perhaps it's time to get get off the forum, get your daughter organised for school tomorrow and get to bed so you don't oversleep ?

scottishmummy · 08/01/2013 20:41

youre eligible for free school meals but decline?end up of pocket buying chocolate
accept the free meals, so dont need to buy chocolate.save money
youre not very ordered in your rationale, PS is bus pass cheaper than cash fares

Toughasoldboots · 08/01/2013 20:41

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Portofino · 08/01/2013 20:41

Why did you turn down a school place if you could not afford the bus fair to the old one. Ofsted is a shit excuse if your dd is 5. She won't care - would probably more appreciate turning up in time.

DoodlesNoodles · 08/01/2013 20:42

I remember reading your post about choosing a closer school with a poor reputation???? Would you be better off sending your DC there then you wouldn't have the cost (money and time) of getting them there.

RaisinBoys · 08/01/2013 20:42

We all have tough lives - I suspect even the spiced legume consumers of Putney.

You seem to have a staggering lack of empathy for your daughter. Being late every day for 6 months marks her out, sets her apart from her classmates.

Have you asked her how it makes her feel?

Stop making excuses and get the earlier bus.

Incidentally, if you are 4 miles from school in a village location, are you not eligible for some sort of school bus arangement, free travel???

pylonic · 08/01/2013 20:43

Yes, I can see I come across as lazy, cba, and rebellious.

I probably am to a small extent.

It isn't a brick wall though. I am very aware the ball is entirely in my court. It is all down to me. But probably best I left you all together onwiththis now,otherwise this constant response can be interpreted as attention seeking, such is the nature of threads sometimes. They have their own momentum, and the only real point of interest and usefulness to me Ihavegleaned from this is the head teacher's action in relaying confidential information, which may be unlawful as some of you have suggested. So that is the major point I will be taking away from this.

The remaining criticism is something I am already aware ofandmakingsteps to improve.

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