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Infant School pushing to report me to SS for neglect. Can they do that?

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pylonic · 08/01/2013 18:40

My DD age 5.5 has had a poor lateness record since the beginning of Year 1. No excuses really, I only lived a 9 minute walk from school but we were late almost every day for at least 6 months. I had trouble sleeping but not to the point of Insomnia, just kept oversleeping through the alarm clock most times (dreaded snooze button).

She's also had some absence, genuine though, illness and doc's appointments.

Last year I was advised by letter that unless lateness improved the school would be referring us to a welfare officer.
3 months ago we had to move out of the village to a nearby town but no transfers in new town for DD so she still attends old school. Because I have had to rely on buses, we have been late again quite a few times, or other people that I have relied on to drive her in for me have been late traffic etc or there's been other logistical problems, so presumably the record isn't improving.

Today the head teacher called my Mum in for a word (I'm 44...why they need to call my Mummy I don't know), and the gist was as follows:

My children are being neglected because I have insomnia (I don't, I just needed to put some excuse down in the late book. Quite tame compared to other regularly late people's excuses), so they want to involve social services.

I have been seen in the village shop with my children buying chocolate bars. And that's it. I don't know what they mean by this? :/

My daughter has turned up without a cardigan on at least two occasions in 'extreme weather'. This constitutes neglect. But they are quick to complain if she's wearing a different colour cardigan to school because her two logo tops are in the wash.

She often has a chocolate drink in her lunchbox.

This is a very cliquey village, hence glad to have left it behind, but although the late record is admittedly quite dire, is it generally worthy of involving social services for neglect?

The head teacher and I "don't have a dialogue" she told my Mum, hence why she called her in to talk to instead.

I've only spoken to the head once, when I had to inform them about the children's father's DV past so that they do not let him take DD out of school without my permission.

I bristle under authority having come into my Catholic rebellion quite late in life, but I'm generally non-combative.

So I'm wondering what you think of my request, in that I want toask the head to write down all the concerns she has so I have it in writing, and then invite her to my home in order that she can ascertain for herself it is a proper, clean, comfortable and sustaining environment for the children.

I feel a bit Hmmmmm that she has gone 'running to my Mummy' instead of talking to me, the parent, especially considering this late book has been full of the same old, same old pupils including my sister's son, for the last couple of years, but I feel a bit singled out perhaps wrongly, I don't know, because of the whole single mother on benefits stereotype, DV background, and now they want social services to investigate the children for neglect.

The children's father also wants to play this card against me, so I'm just resigned to SS being involved in their lives anyway it's out of my control.

My DD is otherwise happy, bright, doing fine at school and paints happy pictures all the time.

Can an infant school really go down this route when there isn't actually any clear signs of any kind of neglect going on? It seems unfair to tar my DD with this brush and I'm also concerned how this is going to affect her In Year transfer to a school in our new town.

I think this is just a rant, it all seems to be out of my control. The head has a reputation for being an axe-grinder and their Ofsted isn't great for a village school. The conspiracy theorist in me is saying its all about the grades.

Hs anyone been investigated by SS before for neglect? What should I expect? Will it go against me in the forthcoming Vafcass report which their father wants to initiate too as part of his contact/custody case?

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slambang · 08/01/2013 20:17

I only see 2 issues here.
Lateness
Confidentiality.

Chocolate schmocolate , uniform and siblings in nativitiy - that's not the point here.

Lateness - you are in the wrong. Your dd does suffer through repepatedly missing the beginning of the day. That's when introductions and explanations happen. Coming late causes dispruption for all the others. Studies do show that dcs who are repeatedly late suffer academically. You need to be worried. They can penalise you for this legally. It is a marker to SS that you are not doing a good enough ob as a parent. Take it seriously .

Confidentiality - the school is in the wrong. They shouldn't have discussed it with your mum.

I'd say your best approach here -ask for an appointment with the head. Go in politely and calmly and discuss it openly. Admit you've had problems. Accept you are to blame for the lateness. Agree to try to sort it out.

Then express your concern that they discussed confidential matters with your mum not you. Explain you are open to conversation with the school and would prefer to discuss your dd's welfare with them directly, not second hand. Stay Calm.

But for god's sake sort it out for your dd's sake. She is the one person who is not to blame in this.

mrz · 08/01/2013 20:17

SS involvement could certainly help with in year transfer

GinAndaDashOfLime · 08/01/2013 20:17

OP you sound like my mum ... Your dd's life was my life as a child. Yes I felt loved and my friends thought her rebelliousness was cool - BUT I also felt constantly humiliated, anxious and frightened because, like ALL kids, I liked rules -they make kids feel safe - and I hated the fact that my mum was always flouting them, I felt like the odd one at school, the weirdo, the one who always got talked about by the teachers, the pitied one .. As a result I ended up hating my mum as an adult because it IS neglect.

Please sort this out. I feel desperately sad for your dd.

ladyintheradiator · 08/01/2013 20:18

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pylonic · 08/01/2013 20:18

SecondComing.

Gosh yes, we've had headlice before. Haven't you? Wink Are you ashamed of it? Because its quite natural.

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TheBOF · 08/01/2013 20:18

I remember the nit thread- it was about old nit cases from months ago though, wasn't it? It doesn't give a good impression of personal care, that's all, especially in conjunction with the not getting up early enough to get the child to school. I can see why the school have concerns.

TravelinColour · 08/01/2013 20:20

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Groovee · 08/01/2013 20:21

You lived a short distance from the school but were consistantly late because you couldn't be arsed getting up. You've moved out of the village, previous problems with lateness is continuing. Lateness disrupts the class while the teacher settles a child in and gets them set up for the day taking away from the others in the class.

You say your are 44, but you're coming across like a stroppy teenager.

Maybe the head thinks she can speed up your placing request and get your out of her hair!

pylonic · 08/01/2013 20:21

Northern lurker.

Would you walk the verge along the M62 over Saddleworth Moor to get to school? No, neither would I walk the speed equivalent.

No free transport facility, we turned down a school so are not eligible.

Free school meals eligible, but I prefer to know exactly what my child is eating at lunch time, so I do packed lunches.

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Shinyshoes1 · 08/01/2013 20:21

Excuses excuses excuses that's all I've heard .

Don't buy chocolate and use the money for bus fares

Why don't you have money for bus fares?

I'm overweight , on anti Ds's , I have a thyroid problem and I work .
My child has been late twice since September .

If you have no money are you on benefits ? If so is your child entitled to free school meals ?

Get support and advice from the school.

There is no excuse .

bringbacksideburns · 08/01/2013 20:22

OP - your sardonic and combative stance on this thread will not help you.

People are answering you honestly but you've got the arse.

Will it go against me in the forthcoming Vafcass report which their father wants to initiate too as part of his contact/custody case? - i wouldn't want to chance it. So i'd be looking at easier schools to get to if i were you.

SilveryMoon · 08/01/2013 20:22

Right. I might get a flaming for this, but seriously? People seriously see the school's point about referring to SS because of lateness, lack of cardigan (even though she has a winter coat, and a chocolate drink in her lunchbox? Seriously? There are people who think this warrants investigation from SS? Really?
Ok, the lateness is a bit of an issue, but surely not for neglect? Neglect is a very strong word that I don't think should be thrown about as easily as what it sometimes is.
Ok, pylonic should be making more of an effort to get dd to school on time, but no way is this along with a chocolate drink enough to get SS involved.

RE speaking to your mum, schools are allowed to share information if they suspect the welfare of a child is at risk. I'm not sure that this includes your mum though.

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 08/01/2013 20:22

So, just to be clear then. The school did not send for your mum or make any sort of appointment with her.
they spoke to her at the gate at the end of the day.

I think that I do understand how difficult it feels for you. but your language makes it seem although you do see the school as 'us and them'

There are problems here and it would be most helpful for your dd to work with the school to help sort them

pylonic · 08/01/2013 20:22

AmberLeaf

A good point about the rocket! Quite possibly! Grin

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BarbarianMum · 08/01/2013 20:23

Can the school report you to SS for persistent lateness? Yes, it can be a red flag for neglect and certainly disruptive to your dd education. If you are late because of buses etc for goodness sake say that, provided its a valid excuse (ie not a frequent service with 1 bus every 5 min).

However, beyond that. I have to say I'm not seeing any other signs of neglect based on the OP - forgetting a cardigan twice is not the same as regularly under-dressing a child, a cartoon of chocolate milk is not a problem if the rest of lunch is as the OP describes it.

It is nobody's business if the OP buys herself 6 bars of chocolate a day, as long as she feeds her children well.

Frankly, it sounds like the head has a negative relationship w you (and I can kind of see why tbh) and its colouring her interpretation of everything you do. Human nature is like that so in your own best interests (and that of your dd) I'd try and fall into line a bit more.

pylonic · 08/01/2013 20:24

Exactly, meditrina.

We refused the offer of the only school place available. It is in the worst Ofsted rated school and is a good mile away. Given my history, it's preferable to stay on the waiting list for the school at the end of our road.

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TunaPastaBake · 08/01/2013 20:24

Free school meals eligible, but I prefer to know exactly what my child is eating at lunch time, so I do packed lunches.

Starting to lose my rag with this thread - OP is in financial dire straights - see other thread of hers - (just look at her profile - recent threads)- and turns down free school meals !

Utter utter bollocks - grow up OP !

Shinyshoes1 · 08/01/2013 20:24

Apologies x posted and looking back I sound very harsh so apologies there also Smile

You've asked for advice and people are trying to help but you don't seem to be taking it on board

The school can and will help you

If you don't know what is on the school lunch menu then ask , they will be glad you're taking an interest

Toughasoldboots · 08/01/2013 20:25

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NorthernLurker · 08/01/2013 20:25

Pylonic - nobody is asking you to walk on a motorway Hmm I make sure my children get to school yes. That's very basic parenting.
If you can't afford bus fares and she could have free meals at school then YOU MUST do that. You cannot afford to be sniffy about her only having chocolate milk you've picked. I don't know what you were thinking refusing a place when you had no viable way to get the child to this school though. Can you contact the council again and see if that place is still there? Of course you would also have to get out of bed.

thesnootyfox · 08/01/2013 20:25

Why did you turn down the school place?

AmberLeaf · 08/01/2013 20:25

Have you had any contact from the education welfare officer?

Id be surprised at SS involvement without all avenues being exhausted first.

EWO would be the starting point and I agree with Silverymoon that this is not neglect just disorganisation, which if given some support could be overcome.

thesnootyfox · 08/01/2013 20:26

Crossed posts.

Mynewmoniker · 08/01/2013 20:26

Could Jeremy Kyle possibly help you, sweetheart?

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