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Infant School pushing to report me to SS for neglect. Can they do that?

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pylonic · 08/01/2013 18:40

My DD age 5.5 has had a poor lateness record since the beginning of Year 1. No excuses really, I only lived a 9 minute walk from school but we were late almost every day for at least 6 months. I had trouble sleeping but not to the point of Insomnia, just kept oversleeping through the alarm clock most times (dreaded snooze button).

She's also had some absence, genuine though, illness and doc's appointments.

Last year I was advised by letter that unless lateness improved the school would be referring us to a welfare officer.
3 months ago we had to move out of the village to a nearby town but no transfers in new town for DD so she still attends old school. Because I have had to rely on buses, we have been late again quite a few times, or other people that I have relied on to drive her in for me have been late traffic etc or there's been other logistical problems, so presumably the record isn't improving.

Today the head teacher called my Mum in for a word (I'm 44...why they need to call my Mummy I don't know), and the gist was as follows:

My children are being neglected because I have insomnia (I don't, I just needed to put some excuse down in the late book. Quite tame compared to other regularly late people's excuses), so they want to involve social services.

I have been seen in the village shop with my children buying chocolate bars. And that's it. I don't know what they mean by this? :/

My daughter has turned up without a cardigan on at least two occasions in 'extreme weather'. This constitutes neglect. But they are quick to complain if she's wearing a different colour cardigan to school because her two logo tops are in the wash.

She often has a chocolate drink in her lunchbox.

This is a very cliquey village, hence glad to have left it behind, but although the late record is admittedly quite dire, is it generally worthy of involving social services for neglect?

The head teacher and I "don't have a dialogue" she told my Mum, hence why she called her in to talk to instead.

I've only spoken to the head once, when I had to inform them about the children's father's DV past so that they do not let him take DD out of school without my permission.

I bristle under authority having come into my Catholic rebellion quite late in life, but I'm generally non-combative.

So I'm wondering what you think of my request, in that I want toask the head to write down all the concerns she has so I have it in writing, and then invite her to my home in order that she can ascertain for herself it is a proper, clean, comfortable and sustaining environment for the children.

I feel a bit Hmmmmm that she has gone 'running to my Mummy' instead of talking to me, the parent, especially considering this late book has been full of the same old, same old pupils including my sister's son, for the last couple of years, but I feel a bit singled out perhaps wrongly, I don't know, because of the whole single mother on benefits stereotype, DV background, and now they want social services to investigate the children for neglect.

The children's father also wants to play this card against me, so I'm just resigned to SS being involved in their lives anyway it's out of my control.

My DD is otherwise happy, bright, doing fine at school and paints happy pictures all the time.

Can an infant school really go down this route when there isn't actually any clear signs of any kind of neglect going on? It seems unfair to tar my DD with this brush and I'm also concerned how this is going to affect her In Year transfer to a school in our new town.

I think this is just a rant, it all seems to be out of my control. The head has a reputation for being an axe-grinder and their Ofsted isn't great for a village school. The conspiracy theorist in me is saying its all about the grades.

Hs anyone been investigated by SS before for neglect? What should I expect? Will it go against me in the forthcoming Vafcass report which their father wants to initiate too as part of his contact/custody case?

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gingerchick · 09/01/2013 23:46

You are making excuses, only you have the power to change this. When ss investigate and you have to deal with them I'm sure there will be a thread about
Making complaints about them you do not seem to take responsibility for anything nothing is your fault you just say oh well that's just how it is I pity your poor children I really do

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:46

Lovely chops

A good idea, it's in email draft already, just needs to be printed and delivered by hand.

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TunaPastaBake · 09/01/2013 23:47

Not emotional at all my dear - perhaps not living in cloud cuckoo land like some.

You are really not getting much support here at the moment and seemed to be reeling in that .People are giving you good advice but I think SS will be the best answer for your DD.

TheBOF · 09/01/2013 23:47

Lateness is not hereditary. Neither are character traits like bloody-mindedness, or laziness. I suppose you could argue there were environmental influences, but to my knowledge, they have not yet been coded for in DNA as genetic, and they are still subject to exercising your free will.

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:47

Vicarina,

I think that ones already been done way back in the thread.

Along with the 'I hate fluffy kittens'.

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TunaPastaBake · 09/01/2013 23:48

printed and delivered by hand .. eh ?

Email or post = yet another excuse !

5madthings · 09/01/2013 23:48

plyonic why are you being so obtuse.

Your childs school rightly has concerns given your history of dv and persistant lateness.

You need to engage with them and sort this out!

DollyTwat · 09/01/2013 23:48

Seriously op whose advice would you listen to?

If its taken out of your hands by SS or your ex you will be devastated
Please for your own sake think if someone who you do listen to and show them this thread

EmpressMaud · 09/01/2013 23:49

It's not out of your control, Pylonic. Forgive me for saying so but it feels like you've given up.

I agree that you need to email or telephone the head, or perhaps make an appointment, in advance, for next week when you're likely to be feeling a little better. I wouldn't write an official letter of complaint at this stage, personally.

ravenAK · 09/01/2013 23:49

To be fair dollytwat, I think it's actually what she wants to happen.

5madthings · 09/01/2013 23:50

And ime email communication is much better. Its all recorded and makes sense given the fact you have problrms with transpory to the school.

doublecakeplease · 09/01/2013 23:50

Your attitude is making you a bad parent. Wanted to say that last night but your reference to being depressed stopped me. however i think it's possible to be depressed and parent well. Pull your head out of the sand.

gingerchick · 09/01/2013 23:50

You seem to think this a funny little game arguing with people on here and making sarcastic comments but it won't be so funny when ss take your children maybe that is the only thing which will shock you into some action.

Floggingmolly · 09/01/2013 23:50

You have "no issue" with the school taking this action, and you are not prepared to actually address any of the concerns that prompted them to do so.
What do you want from this thread? To know if it's a "normal occurrence" to be reported to social services by your child's school?
Not particularly, I wouldn't think. What would get you to take the situation seriously?

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:51

Dolly

I have listened to everything, it's been a very interesting thread. Because I choose not to highlight individual posts with agreement or. Disagreement, does not mean I have not learnt something.

It may look like ignorance, but this format is so very, very easy to misinterpret.

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Primafacie · 09/01/2013 23:52

massive ex post, took me ages to write it :o

lovelychops · 09/01/2013 23:53

I don't see that your letter needs to be delivered by hand, that just provides the potential for more delay. An email is more immediate and is showing a quicker response to the situation.
How your point of view reaches the head isn't the issue here, the way you're responding to what is happening is.

DollyTwat · 09/01/2013 23:54

RavenAK I think you're right.

Which is tragic. Because whilst life at the moment seem to be something's that happens to you op, you must get control of it, for your own sake. I've read so many threads on MN where SS get involved and it becomes a whole different ball game -let alone the situation you hand your ex in a plate

People here are harsh maybe, but you might thank everyone one day

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:55

5madthings

My responses read as obtuse? I can see that it is a possibility yes. But thats all it is, a possibility, some will agree with you, some wont.
But as you have no idea exactly what I am taking from this thread, you also have no idea of my intentions outside of the thread.

I am certainly not here to be judged, advised and concluded via epiphany. Well unless that's what you want to achieve on my behalf. It's just a thread I started to hear some views on the role of. Infant schools and SS.

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Pancakeflipper · 09/01/2013 23:55

Don't go to the Headcteacher if complaining. Read school complaints policy ( on Internet ) or contact a School Gov to ask about what the policy is or where to find it. This will go in your favour.

TunaPastaBake · 09/01/2013 23:56

OP will not email or post because delivery by hand will mean that she has proof that the school actually got it - therefore one less thing for school to conspire against her - there OP made excuse for you Hmm

DollyTwat · 09/01/2013 23:57

X posted op

Do you plan to do anything differently?

5madthings · 09/01/2013 23:57

Btw if you have problems with depression and getting children to school on time ss may well.help.

After i had ds4 i had post natal psychosis and the half hour walk to school was a major issue. Ss werr involved as i was hospitalised and during the months afterwards when i was recovering they provided taxis to get my children to school.

We engaged with ss and welcomef their input and they were happy to help, then once i was well the case was closed.

gingerchick · 09/01/2013 23:58

Why don't you think about your children O,P instead of yourself and 'winning' your fight against the school.

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:58

Noooo Ginger,

It's not funny. Is that what you think?
It's not particularly argumentative on here either, in fact it's a fairly one sided thread.
But it's not a bunfight. Otherwise I'd have put it in AIBu.

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