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Infant School pushing to report me to SS for neglect. Can they do that?

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pylonic · 08/01/2013 18:40

My DD age 5.5 has had a poor lateness record since the beginning of Year 1. No excuses really, I only lived a 9 minute walk from school but we were late almost every day for at least 6 months. I had trouble sleeping but not to the point of Insomnia, just kept oversleeping through the alarm clock most times (dreaded snooze button).

She's also had some absence, genuine though, illness and doc's appointments.

Last year I was advised by letter that unless lateness improved the school would be referring us to a welfare officer.
3 months ago we had to move out of the village to a nearby town but no transfers in new town for DD so she still attends old school. Because I have had to rely on buses, we have been late again quite a few times, or other people that I have relied on to drive her in for me have been late traffic etc or there's been other logistical problems, so presumably the record isn't improving.

Today the head teacher called my Mum in for a word (I'm 44...why they need to call my Mummy I don't know), and the gist was as follows:

My children are being neglected because I have insomnia (I don't, I just needed to put some excuse down in the late book. Quite tame compared to other regularly late people's excuses), so they want to involve social services.

I have been seen in the village shop with my children buying chocolate bars. And that's it. I don't know what they mean by this? :/

My daughter has turned up without a cardigan on at least two occasions in 'extreme weather'. This constitutes neglect. But they are quick to complain if she's wearing a different colour cardigan to school because her two logo tops are in the wash.

She often has a chocolate drink in her lunchbox.

This is a very cliquey village, hence glad to have left it behind, but although the late record is admittedly quite dire, is it generally worthy of involving social services for neglect?

The head teacher and I "don't have a dialogue" she told my Mum, hence why she called her in to talk to instead.

I've only spoken to the head once, when I had to inform them about the children's father's DV past so that they do not let him take DD out of school without my permission.

I bristle under authority having come into my Catholic rebellion quite late in life, but I'm generally non-combative.

So I'm wondering what you think of my request, in that I want toask the head to write down all the concerns she has so I have it in writing, and then invite her to my home in order that she can ascertain for herself it is a proper, clean, comfortable and sustaining environment for the children.

I feel a bit Hmmmmm that she has gone 'running to my Mummy' instead of talking to me, the parent, especially considering this late book has been full of the same old, same old pupils including my sister's son, for the last couple of years, but I feel a bit singled out perhaps wrongly, I don't know, because of the whole single mother on benefits stereotype, DV background, and now they want social services to investigate the children for neglect.

The children's father also wants to play this card against me, so I'm just resigned to SS being involved in their lives anyway it's out of my control.

My DD is otherwise happy, bright, doing fine at school and paints happy pictures all the time.

Can an infant school really go down this route when there isn't actually any clear signs of any kind of neglect going on? It seems unfair to tar my DD with this brush and I'm also concerned how this is going to affect her In Year transfer to a school in our new town.

I think this is just a rant, it all seems to be out of my control. The head has a reputation for being an axe-grinder and their Ofsted isn't great for a village school. The conspiracy theorist in me is saying its all about the grades.

Hs anyone been investigated by SS before for neglect? What should I expect? Will it go against me in the forthcoming Vafcass report which their father wants to initiate too as part of his contact/custody case?

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pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:14

Teacher

Oh yes. One is a 64 year old woman with heart problems who can barely walk from door to car, she isn't steady on her feet and her health needs vary daily, so she can't always scoot over within the millisecond to keep to schedule.

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pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:15

Teacher

The double drop off issue, is a major one, as I have previously said. Some people manage it of course. I will just have to as well, if needs be.

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teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 23:15

So what are you doing to make the transport to school less dependent on that unreliable option?

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:15

TunaPastaBake

Haha, yes! Grin that's usually a sign that a thread has died a death and should probably be left to smoulder.

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pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:16

There's no such thing as a guarantee, Teacher, I'm afraid there are no options for making it 'less unreliable'.

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TunaPastaBake · 09/01/2013 23:17

Until the OP actually gets off her arse and speaks with the school then the full circumstances why they wish a SS referral - if that is indeed the case - will not be known by the OP.

But the OP is more concerned about making a complaint about the Head then working with them for the benefit of her DD.

teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 23:17

Seems a shame, though, because in the middle of this there is a child who is not getting to school when she should, who must suffer quite a lot of embarressment and uncertainty and feel very conspicuous as a result, let alone the effect on her education - that's why I keep posting, I'm thinking of the child....

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:18

Teacher

DD is no victim, as you or someone else said, kids are adaptable.
She's thriving educationally, emotionally and all the other 'ally's.

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teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 23:18

Can the Aunt or cousin take a larger role?

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:19

Brandy

I know. I'm very aware which subjects cause bunfights on Mumsnet. But if I were to let that worry me, I'd never start a thread, and this site would be a dull place indeed.

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teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 23:19

Pylonic, are you sure? What was the feedback at her last parents' evening? Lots of friends home? Lots of party invitations? No unwillingness to go to school,however ate she is picked up to go there?

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:21

Teacher

Yes. It's a village. Everyone knows each other. She has had the normal amount of party invitations and playmates.

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Aspiemum2 · 09/01/2013 23:22

Inneedofbrandy, I have to disagree there. I've had my fair share of 'run ins' with school over the years. I don't believe they are always in the right at all and I've had to fight bloody hard to both get my ds the relevant support and keep the school onside.

I was sort of on the fence at the beginning of this but the OP has contradicted herself repeatedly and come up with countless excuses. It's quite frankly starting to sound ridiculous now. It appears that what the OP really wants is for us all to agree with her, say the schools out of line and that she can get her dd to school whenever the hell she likes!

ravenAK · 09/01/2013 23:22

So (at least) one of the relatives giving lifts is unable to be relied on due to poor health.

I'm afraid this doesn't mean '...so it's OK for my daughter to regularly be late'.

It means '...so I need to make other arrangements about getting my child to school'.

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:23

Teacher

Not really, the Aunt works full time and the teenage nephew is at sixth form, cutting short his own start to the day to accommodate the travelling.

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TunaPastaBake · 09/01/2013 23:23

But she doesn't live in the village any more ? so I assume playdates after school are a bit tricky.

Do yourself a favour make an appointment to see the head tomorrow and get this sorted .

fuzzpig · 09/01/2013 23:24

I'm glad it is a case of When rather than If she gets a place, but if she is 5.5 then she is in yr1 yes? So yr3 is fecking AGES away. I really think changing schools now would be better than dragging this out. Better for your 64yo relative too.

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:25

Aspiemum

No, that's incorrect. This isn't in AIBU. I welcome all views and am not looking for allies, in fact I'd prefer if you didn't agree with me, because only with a mirror held up can we really see both sides.

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pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:25

RavenAK

Absolutely, that's the dilemma. There are no other alternatives. It's a difficult situation.

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TunaPastaBake · 09/01/2013 23:26

Why are you putting off speaking with the school about their concerns ?

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:27

Tuna

No. I have sister and nephews in the village and a friend with a daughter at the school too. She still sees her old friends regularly, not just at school, obviously, but after too, at swimming and Rainbows.

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ravenAK · 09/01/2013 23:28

There are two.

  1. Move your dd to the school you can walk to

  2. Pay for the bus travel.

Apart from anything else, your relative making an 8 mile round trip is presumably costing her much of what the bus would cost you.

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:28

Tuna

Because I am home very unwell.

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Primafacie · 09/01/2013 23:28

I have read this whole thread and OP, I have to say I feel very angry at you, which is unusual for me as I love a good clash of opinions.

You have had plenty of kind hearted, reasoned, practical advice, so I am afraid this post is going to be quite different, but I really need to get this out of my system.

What on earth are you thinking? And why are you so blatantly lying on a thread where you are supposedly asking for help?

Based on your latest post, since you have moved, you have not done the school run one single time, and your daughter has always been late. In those circumstances, are you really in a position to complain that the school spoke to your mum about your DD's lateness problem? I am guessing your mum is their sole point of contact, since you neither drop her off or pick her up, so in my view it is entirely right that they should mention it to the person who does. The whole confidentiality thing is a complete red herring, and I am stunned that you think this is the real issue here.

You have not answered the questions about why she is late. I simply can't understand it. Why can't whoever takes her to school, pick her up at the right time so as to resolve the issue?

I am annoyed at the fact that you are making what appear to be wrong decisions (rejecting free school meals, rejecting a place at a nearer school), but even more so, I am irritated by the fact you are shrugging everything off, like there is nothing you can do about it and nothing is your fault. You did post the one post where you said it was your fault and due to laziness, but in the main your position seems to be that you don't react well to authority, you are depressed/dealing with a history of DV, you have a family history of lateness and what not.

There are loads of mums (and dads) here, myself included, who never or rarely sleep more than 4 or 5 hours a night because we work full time, have family commitments, a commute, work trips, have insomnia, etc. I think I can speak for a large number of us in saying we have had to deal with any combination of health issues, mental health including depression, the breakdown of relationships, bereavement, abuse, children's health issues, or a large number of other things that could influence a person's willingness and ability to get out of bed, and yet we all get our children to school or nursery in time. So why can't you do it? Again, I just can't understand. I am the first person to speak up in favour of benefits and why they are needed and must be protected. Your posts enrage me because I feel like you are taking advantage - not only are you not working, but you won't even get out of bed to get your child into school. Aaaargh. I am left-winged at heart, so why are you doing this to me?

I just can't understand why you are not making any effort for your child - by taking her to school on time, by choosing a school that is convenient for you to go to, etc. There is laziness (I am incredibly lazy, would love nothing more than a good lie-in, but I work crazy hours and never get to do it), and there is just sheer apathy.

I think SS involvement is probably the best thing that could happen to your daughter right now. I hope your apathy is such that you can't be arsed to fight the school about it.

Shake yourself up, woman, leave teenagehood and start taking responsibility for yourself and your children.

TunaPastaBake · 09/01/2013 23:30

Because I am home very unwell.

Well enough to use the internet - well enough to make a phone call then eh ?

Excuses excuses ...

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