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Infant School pushing to report me to SS for neglect. Can they do that?

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pylonic · 08/01/2013 18:40

My DD age 5.5 has had a poor lateness record since the beginning of Year 1. No excuses really, I only lived a 9 minute walk from school but we were late almost every day for at least 6 months. I had trouble sleeping but not to the point of Insomnia, just kept oversleeping through the alarm clock most times (dreaded snooze button).

She's also had some absence, genuine though, illness and doc's appointments.

Last year I was advised by letter that unless lateness improved the school would be referring us to a welfare officer.
3 months ago we had to move out of the village to a nearby town but no transfers in new town for DD so she still attends old school. Because I have had to rely on buses, we have been late again quite a few times, or other people that I have relied on to drive her in for me have been late traffic etc or there's been other logistical problems, so presumably the record isn't improving.

Today the head teacher called my Mum in for a word (I'm 44...why they need to call my Mummy I don't know), and the gist was as follows:

My children are being neglected because I have insomnia (I don't, I just needed to put some excuse down in the late book. Quite tame compared to other regularly late people's excuses), so they want to involve social services.

I have been seen in the village shop with my children buying chocolate bars. And that's it. I don't know what they mean by this? :/

My daughter has turned up without a cardigan on at least two occasions in 'extreme weather'. This constitutes neglect. But they are quick to complain if she's wearing a different colour cardigan to school because her two logo tops are in the wash.

She often has a chocolate drink in her lunchbox.

This is a very cliquey village, hence glad to have left it behind, but although the late record is admittedly quite dire, is it generally worthy of involving social services for neglect?

The head teacher and I "don't have a dialogue" she told my Mum, hence why she called her in to talk to instead.

I've only spoken to the head once, when I had to inform them about the children's father's DV past so that they do not let him take DD out of school without my permission.

I bristle under authority having come into my Catholic rebellion quite late in life, but I'm generally non-combative.

So I'm wondering what you think of my request, in that I want toask the head to write down all the concerns she has so I have it in writing, and then invite her to my home in order that she can ascertain for herself it is a proper, clean, comfortable and sustaining environment for the children.

I feel a bit Hmmmmm that she has gone 'running to my Mummy' instead of talking to me, the parent, especially considering this late book has been full of the same old, same old pupils including my sister's son, for the last couple of years, but I feel a bit singled out perhaps wrongly, I don't know, because of the whole single mother on benefits stereotype, DV background, and now they want social services to investigate the children for neglect.

The children's father also wants to play this card against me, so I'm just resigned to SS being involved in their lives anyway it's out of my control.

My DD is otherwise happy, bright, doing fine at school and paints happy pictures all the time.

Can an infant school really go down this route when there isn't actually any clear signs of any kind of neglect going on? It seems unfair to tar my DD with this brush and I'm also concerned how this is going to affect her In Year transfer to a school in our new town.

I think this is just a rant, it all seems to be out of my control. The head has a reputation for being an axe-grinder and their Ofsted isn't great for a village school. The conspiracy theorist in me is saying its all about the grades.

Hs anyone been investigated by SS before for neglect? What should I expect? Will it go against me in the forthcoming Vafcass report which their father wants to initiate too as part of his contact/custody case?

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teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 22:56

Schools can choose how to use the pupil premium. We paid for school trips, because our FSM children also had very limited life experiences and so helping them to go on trips etc to widen these was critical to their progress. In other schools, where the issues are different, the choice of how to spend pupil premium may be different.

teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 22:57

So she HAS been late fairly often since the Autumn, which was when you started using family?

pylonic · 09/01/2013 22:57

Teacher

No, she's had enough instability in her young life. Keeping her in her familiar school environment is best unti a place becomes available via In Year transfer. That way she will only change schools once, instead of twice.

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PolterGoose · 09/01/2013 22:58

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ravenAK · 09/01/2013 22:58

I think you need to re-read your own OP!

'My DD age 5.5 has had a poor lateness record since the beginning of Year 1'

'we were late almost every day for at least 6 months'

'3 months ago we had to move out of the village to a nearby town...we have been late again quite a few times... so presumably the record isn't improving'

From September of last academic year, the '6 months' of chronic lateness takes you until Spring Term. Then presumably things improved temporarily, & again since September she's been repeatedly late.

This will be seen as a cause for concern, especially as it really isn't necessary - you could move schools or prioritise getting her in by bus, but you refuse to see it as something that's in your power to change.

fuzzpig · 09/01/2013 22:58

Having a school at the end of our road is a blessing given our situation

Well yes it is a blessing for anyone to have a school so near but what do you mean by 'our situation'

Bunnyjo · 09/01/2013 22:59

OP - I have read through this and I urge you to seek help. Go see your GP and explain the situation, also accept that SS will possibly want to visit you and ensure your DD is OK and that you are too. The best thing you can do is comply with them, listen to what they advise and take all suggestions on board.

With the very best of respect, it sounds like you have been struggling to cope. You need to stop fighting and rebelling against everyone and accept that, from what you have posted and indeed what school have witnessed, that there are concerns for you and your DD. Consider sending your DD to the local school you turned down - it might be far from ideal, but her attending school regularly and on-time will benefit her more than being consistently late in a 'better' school. In the interim, before any school changes, open up communication with the HT - he hasn't seen you for some months and it is on both your interests to have a better relationship. As far as the FSM situation, could you and the school work together so that DD maybe doesn't get 3 separate courses, but that she gets a chance to eat the main meal and you can both work towards her eating a little quicker over the next few weeks?

I appreciate you will be feeling defensive, but that will not help you or your DD. Wishing you the very best, I hope everything works out OK.

teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 22:59

Hmm. The first school place in DD's class came available for children from the waiting list / in year transfer late in Year 3. Are you going to allow the situation to continue for 2 more years??

pylonic · 09/01/2013 22:59

PolyerGoose

A 'ragbag' is not generally a recognised collective term for a grandparent, Aunt and a teenage nephew! But I'm sure you don't ran it in quite the crass way you have created it Smile

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InNeedOfBrandy · 09/01/2013 23:01

OP you are not allowed to slag off school or teachers or show you have the slightest attitude (even if it's not attitude). They will find red flags in the most innocent of things and as your first 100posts read yabba on at you an then act surprised when you defend yourself.

My dc are never late because I work but my friends dc are late every single day and have been the majority of school years (her ds is 9now) I do think it's ridiculous to report to ss for lateness it's not that bad. It's quite laughable actually that this is what they're threatening and posters are calling abuse and red flags, some dc are starving neglected locked in rooms and beaten, being late is not on the same level.

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:01

Teacher

Yes, it's a very transient community in this town, and once her younger brother is offered Reception this April, sibling status applies.

But otherwise, quite likely yes, the situation will persist with her remaing on the waiting list.

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teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 23:05

InNeedOf,

On the one hand, everyone wants situations of abuse to be picked up and dealt with. on the other hand, schools are accused of being draconian when they flag up things that COULD be a sign of abuse / neglect or COULD be eholly innocent. It isn't a school's job to decide. That is why SS are referred to, and if necessary that is what they will investigate. If no-one reports the tiny 'hmm, that's a bit odd' moments / comments / things that arise, then we end up with another Climbie or Baby P case because the danger signs are not picked up.

The OP's case is almost certainly not one of neglect. However, some of the things that have been reported COULD indicate neglect as one of many poosibilities. It is every professional working with children's duty to record and pass on such information.

fuzzpig · 09/01/2013 23:05

I do see why you don't want to disrupt her by moving schools twice but you have to accept it is the lesser of two evils. Children are adaptable.

Thing is, you may not get the place at your desired school at all - and then you will have been wasting your time and hers.

teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 23:05

Excuse typing.

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:07

Inneedofbrandy

Ooh I know, in real life I'm a little mouse, but online our quiet words are amplified especially in the midst of hornets nests created by other posters Smile

I don't say boo to a goose to the school or the head. I am of softly, softly approach. I'm well aware you have to play the system, education or otherwise. I just do it very calmly, politely and quietly.

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teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 23:08

So how did your conversation with the head - I presume that you rang or visited her today - go?

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:08

Fuzz pig, it's a case of when.

By Year 3 class sizes are unlimited so there's no reason to think a space will not be available.
A lot rests on the siblings status too when her brother is offered Reception.

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TunaPastaBake · 09/01/2013 23:09

Yes, it's a very transient community in this town, and once her younger brother is offered Reception this April, sibling status applies.

I would check that out of I were you - this may only apply to the child at the school being the older child - NOT when the child already at the school is the younger one.

teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 23:10

How will you get 2 children to school on time in different schools for your DD's Year 2, if no place arises until Year 3? (Class sizes are not unlimited - it becomes easier to win an appeal BUT the physical size of rooms etc does still place a maximum size limit in almost all schools)

pylonic · 09/01/2013 23:11

Teacher

No, I've been very ill this week.
I am drafting an official complaint though.

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teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 23:12

And can you remind me why your DD is late nowadays? Those people giving lifts know the journey time and traffic conditions now, so presumably being late is a once in a 3 months or so type event, when there has been an accident or something?

TunaPastaBake · 09/01/2013 23:12

this comes to mind

teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 23:13

How does it benefit your daughter if you comlain to the head but do not improve her getting to school?? She is the victim in all of this, and you should be prioritising her over all else.

teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 23:13

(In other words, sort the problem now, then write to the head later. Doing it the other way round makes no sense.)

InNeedOfBrandy · 09/01/2013 23:14

Yes but it seems with this case apart from persistent late issues (which have been explained if not truthfully Wink) they have nitpicked other things to build up something to report. Her dc was appropriately dressed it was just not school logo nothing to even raise an eyebrow at really, and buying chocolate in the shop is a red flag how? Seems all very silly to me.

MN is funny about teachers and dogs, those two groups are never ever in the wrong and it's always the child's fault. OP my first ever post on MN was a teacher letting my ds escape, he walked past her out of classroom gate through 2 playgrounds and then was found outside the school gates, I had a few posters trying to pick fault and say my 4yr old (at the time) should have known better and it was my fault and I'm a awful parent blabla fucking BLA. Grin it is always your dc fault on MN.

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