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Infant School pushing to report me to SS for neglect. Can they do that?

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pylonic · 08/01/2013 18:40

My DD age 5.5 has had a poor lateness record since the beginning of Year 1. No excuses really, I only lived a 9 minute walk from school but we were late almost every day for at least 6 months. I had trouble sleeping but not to the point of Insomnia, just kept oversleeping through the alarm clock most times (dreaded snooze button).

She's also had some absence, genuine though, illness and doc's appointments.

Last year I was advised by letter that unless lateness improved the school would be referring us to a welfare officer.
3 months ago we had to move out of the village to a nearby town but no transfers in new town for DD so she still attends old school. Because I have had to rely on buses, we have been late again quite a few times, or other people that I have relied on to drive her in for me have been late traffic etc or there's been other logistical problems, so presumably the record isn't improving.

Today the head teacher called my Mum in for a word (I'm 44...why they need to call my Mummy I don't know), and the gist was as follows:

My children are being neglected because I have insomnia (I don't, I just needed to put some excuse down in the late book. Quite tame compared to other regularly late people's excuses), so they want to involve social services.

I have been seen in the village shop with my children buying chocolate bars. And that's it. I don't know what they mean by this? :/

My daughter has turned up without a cardigan on at least two occasions in 'extreme weather'. This constitutes neglect. But they are quick to complain if she's wearing a different colour cardigan to school because her two logo tops are in the wash.

She often has a chocolate drink in her lunchbox.

This is a very cliquey village, hence glad to have left it behind, but although the late record is admittedly quite dire, is it generally worthy of involving social services for neglect?

The head teacher and I "don't have a dialogue" she told my Mum, hence why she called her in to talk to instead.

I've only spoken to the head once, when I had to inform them about the children's father's DV past so that they do not let him take DD out of school without my permission.

I bristle under authority having come into my Catholic rebellion quite late in life, but I'm generally non-combative.

So I'm wondering what you think of my request, in that I want toask the head to write down all the concerns she has so I have it in writing, and then invite her to my home in order that she can ascertain for herself it is a proper, clean, comfortable and sustaining environment for the children.

I feel a bit Hmmmmm that she has gone 'running to my Mummy' instead of talking to me, the parent, especially considering this late book has been full of the same old, same old pupils including my sister's son, for the last couple of years, but I feel a bit singled out perhaps wrongly, I don't know, because of the whole single mother on benefits stereotype, DV background, and now they want social services to investigate the children for neglect.

The children's father also wants to play this card against me, so I'm just resigned to SS being involved in their lives anyway it's out of my control.

My DD is otherwise happy, bright, doing fine at school and paints happy pictures all the time.

Can an infant school really go down this route when there isn't actually any clear signs of any kind of neglect going on? It seems unfair to tar my DD with this brush and I'm also concerned how this is going to affect her In Year transfer to a school in our new town.

I think this is just a rant, it all seems to be out of my control. The head has a reputation for being an axe-grinder and their Ofsted isn't great for a village school. The conspiracy theorist in me is saying its all about the grades.

Hs anyone been investigated by SS before for neglect? What should I expect? Will it go against me in the forthcoming Vafcass report which their father wants to initiate too as part of his contact/custody case?

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TravelinColour · 09/01/2013 20:23

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dotcomlovenest · 09/01/2013 20:46

Ha op I am pretty sure that social services will be not interested in your kids being late to school if attendence and all other things are good as in her behaviour and your general homelife. Not everyone copes well with the day to day humdrum things that parents have to do. I would however go into the school and make a complaint about them discussing your private life with people that have nothing to do with it. Does your mother have pr. I would like to say that they wont but they might. I was once reported to ss because my children had a pack lunch bought from a shop.

marquesas · 09/01/2013 20:58

Why aren't you answering the point about claiming the free school meals regardless of whether your daughter eats them. If I was the HT of a small village school I'd be annoyed that I wasn't getting the pupil premium that's available - it's another example of your attitude that's difficult to empathise with.

NorthernLurker · 09/01/2013 20:59

If her mother has 'nothing' to do with her private life then why is she asking her to collect her young child from school Hmm

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pylonic · 09/01/2013 22:41

Marquesas

If you read back thread, I have answered your question about the free schools meal.

Why do you think I should waste taxpayers money claiming for a free school meal that will not be eaten, when my child already has a packed lunch?

My answer is only a few posts ago, scroll back a little.

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pylonic · 09/01/2013 22:42

Dotcomlovenest

Yes, I will be making a formal complaint against the head for breach of confidentiality.

No, my mother doesn't have PR.

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pylonic · 09/01/2013 22:43

Foot flapper

Can you link us to where I have said the UK education system doesn't work please?

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TunaPastaBake · 09/01/2013 22:44

Many posters have pointed out that claiming FSM could help the school help her DD with the pupil premium money, but it she is not hearing it.

...and still not hearing it .

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pylonic · 09/01/2013 22:45

NorthernLurker

With all due respect, you are confusing yourself. You haven't read the entire thread, otherwise you wouldn't keep asking me the same question over and over again.

To repeat myself again, she has been driven into school by various family members since last Autumn.

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pylonic · 09/01/2013 22:47

Oblomov

It's a good point, but the difference between you and I is that I don't intend to give up on the fight. Having a school at the end of our road is a blessing given our situation, so I am certainly not giving up on it.

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pylonic · 09/01/2013 22:48

Tunapastabake

I'm not hearing it, no, because nobody has explained yet what a pupil premium is!

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teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 22:48

Pylonic,

Bizarrely, if you claim FSM, the actual meals are optional. You can register for FSM - which will be helpful to the school because they will get Pupil Premium, which they will use to help you in various ways e.g. with the cost of trips, extra support etc - and choose for your daughter not to have hot lunches. It isn't a waste of taxpayers' money, because the meal won't be made if you choose not to have the 'hot lunches' element of FSM, but what the taxpayer will find is a level of additional funding for the school to help you and your daughter. Which you need.

pylonic · 09/01/2013 22:50

Meditrina

Absolutely, it's something that plagues my mind daily, the possibility of double drop offs either in this town or our
old village. That's why I'm sticking to my guns with the waiting list for the school nearest to us.

No, Reception offers are not made until this April.

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ravenAK · 09/01/2013 22:50

But that's not quite what it says in your OP re: the journey to school. 'Because I have had to rely on buses...'

If you are, in fact, relying on family members & they aren't reliable in terms of getting your daughter to school, the buck still stops with you. You need to find a solution that works or send your child to the nearer school.

& please do read up on Pupil Premium.

pylonic · 09/01/2013 22:51

RavenAK

She has barely been late since last Autumn.
This thread refers to old issues.

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TunaPastaBake · 09/01/2013 22:53

pupil premium

quite simple - google it -( it's called using your initiative ) Hmm

teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 22:53

Pylonic, definitely don't give up on the LONG TERM aim of getting your daughter into your closest school (is there 'upwards' sibling priority, ie if your younger child gets in for Reception, might your DD jump up the waiting list for the higher class?) but you also need to look at the short term.

Keeping your DD where she is isn't really working, is it - she's being driven in but not getting to school on time (why is that, btw? Do your relatives have other timetables, do they need to leave earlier, are you late getting your child ready for them to pick up? Obviously on day 1 they might have found that the traffic was bad - unless there were significant other reasons, then they should have adjusted their departure tie by day 2, surely?). So move her withing walking distance asap, hang on to the waiting list place for your local school, move her there when a plac arises.

I haven't seen you explai why you can't do that. Putting your daughetr short term into a less good school will do her less harm than she is currently coming to.

pylonic · 09/01/2013 22:54

I see, thank you for explaining the pupil premium aspect of Free School Meals.

So basically, register for them (which we did a long time ago), refuse the food, and instead the school will get extra corn in the coffers for day trips and learning assistants?

We had to pay for the annual trip to the theatre whilst she was on FSM, so perhaps that policy doesn't apply to her school.

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teacherwith2kids · 09/01/2013 22:55

Pylonic, on the one hand you say
" Because I have had to rely on buses, we have been late again quite a few times, or other people that I have relied on to drive her in for me have been late traffic etc or there's been other logistical problems, so presumably the record isn't improving." (OP), now you say
"She has barely been late since last Autumn."

These cannot both be true. Which one is closer to the truth?

TunaPastaBake · 09/01/2013 22:55

OP is still more interested in complaining about the Head rather than sorting and speaking with school about concerns about her DD.

Self centred or what ?

pylonic · 09/01/2013 22:56

That's correct, I had to rely on buses in the past.

She has since been driven in by family, sometimes late, sometimes not.

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