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Infant School pushing to report me to SS for neglect. Can they do that?

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pylonic · 08/01/2013 18:40

My DD age 5.5 has had a poor lateness record since the beginning of Year 1. No excuses really, I only lived a 9 minute walk from school but we were late almost every day for at least 6 months. I had trouble sleeping but not to the point of Insomnia, just kept oversleeping through the alarm clock most times (dreaded snooze button).

She's also had some absence, genuine though, illness and doc's appointments.

Last year I was advised by letter that unless lateness improved the school would be referring us to a welfare officer.
3 months ago we had to move out of the village to a nearby town but no transfers in new town for DD so she still attends old school. Because I have had to rely on buses, we have been late again quite a few times, or other people that I have relied on to drive her in for me have been late traffic etc or there's been other logistical problems, so presumably the record isn't improving.

Today the head teacher called my Mum in for a word (I'm 44...why they need to call my Mummy I don't know), and the gist was as follows:

My children are being neglected because I have insomnia (I don't, I just needed to put some excuse down in the late book. Quite tame compared to other regularly late people's excuses), so they want to involve social services.

I have been seen in the village shop with my children buying chocolate bars. And that's it. I don't know what they mean by this? :/

My daughter has turned up without a cardigan on at least two occasions in 'extreme weather'. This constitutes neglect. But they are quick to complain if she's wearing a different colour cardigan to school because her two logo tops are in the wash.

She often has a chocolate drink in her lunchbox.

This is a very cliquey village, hence glad to have left it behind, but although the late record is admittedly quite dire, is it generally worthy of involving social services for neglect?

The head teacher and I "don't have a dialogue" she told my Mum, hence why she called her in to talk to instead.

I've only spoken to the head once, when I had to inform them about the children's father's DV past so that they do not let him take DD out of school without my permission.

I bristle under authority having come into my Catholic rebellion quite late in life, but I'm generally non-combative.

So I'm wondering what you think of my request, in that I want toask the head to write down all the concerns she has so I have it in writing, and then invite her to my home in order that she can ascertain for herself it is a proper, clean, comfortable and sustaining environment for the children.

I feel a bit Hmmmmm that she has gone 'running to my Mummy' instead of talking to me, the parent, especially considering this late book has been full of the same old, same old pupils including my sister's son, for the last couple of years, but I feel a bit singled out perhaps wrongly, I don't know, because of the whole single mother on benefits stereotype, DV background, and now they want social services to investigate the children for neglect.

The children's father also wants to play this card against me, so I'm just resigned to SS being involved in their lives anyway it's out of my control.

My DD is otherwise happy, bright, doing fine at school and paints happy pictures all the time.

Can an infant school really go down this route when there isn't actually any clear signs of any kind of neglect going on? It seems unfair to tar my DD with this brush and I'm also concerned how this is going to affect her In Year transfer to a school in our new town.

I think this is just a rant, it all seems to be out of my control. The head has a reputation for being an axe-grinder and their Ofsted isn't great for a village school. The conspiracy theorist in me is saying its all about the grades.

Hs anyone been investigated by SS before for neglect? What should I expect? Will it go against me in the forthcoming Vafcass report which their father wants to initiate too as part of his contact/custody case?

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mam29 · 09/01/2013 10:26

just few questions.

what year is child in? only reason ask is infants-how much longer she there, where will she go for juniors?

Do you have younger siblings in tow on school run,

Can empathise with crap buses

My dd old school head insisted on logo cardigans £12 each to which child would frequently lose and parents would moan. I never brought 5 she had 3 on rotaion and 1 jumper as it was £2 cheaper.

New schools happy for lon logo stuff and can get decent navy cardie for fiver from asda or matalan so she now has 5cardigans makes my life lot easier as have 3kids and loads washing. sugest maybe get couple cheapy in correct colour. Although in eldests class tehys eem to take cardies off and always come out without it on.

If eligible for free school meals then would try, mine loves school dinners bu costs £1.75 a day Her school does have healthy packed lunch policy which means no crisps.

typical packed lunch-no houmous is

sandwich, roll or wrap
breadsticks andphili
some chopped carrots, cucucmber/tomatos
value fromage frais
value cereal bar.
small carton of value orange juice lidls also does prepacked juice cartons cheap-i would keep milkshake and chocolate for at home.
I think if you consistantly this term keep packed lunch ealthy then that can be brought up as issue.

I have on on occasion been late.

not as late as you but did get letter from head.
its mainly down to it affecting their ofsted in our schoosl case.

Usually it was

dd overslept-she has no sense urgency.
sibling playing up either toddler throwing herself on pavement
or baby having screaming fit.

I went into head and explained these reasons.

Im up at 6 every day
I get thinsg ready night before
yes dd prone to losing her shoes and her bags as shes quite scatty.

I have been late twice last term and we moved schools so have 39+min walk and thats better then when had 15min walk.

I would be annoyed about mum thing very odd.

I would keep calm maybe take freind in with you so you witness of what was said.

long term I would move fresh start.

I did have issue with middle childs nursery.I was very upset i cleared up their concerens they apologised and we moved on although did think of moving but daughter loves it there.

It doesnt sound like shes neglected.

you need a solution to finances -free meals free up money for bus fairs.

I doubt lea will pay bus if nearby school has a place.

Go to gp-if need help.

kittens · 09/01/2013 10:33

Hi,
You sound like you are getting a hard time. There are things the school can do to help you. If you are on benefits (eligible for Free School Meals) the school are allocated pupil premium to help support your child. They can use this money to help your child in the mornings , for example in my school it was used to fund breakfast club places for 3 children in a family who were always late, they are never late now as the parents drop them early and they get a good breakfast. There are grants available for school uniform to ensure you have enough cardigans.

Perhaps the conversation with the head should not be a slanging match, but ask her what she can to help you get your child to school on time.

Hope this helps.

NorthernLurker · 09/01/2013 11:07

Did you get her there on time today?

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 09/01/2013 12:37

And did you have a chance to speak to the head teacher? How did that go?

realcoalfire · 09/01/2013 13:02

getting to school late, is not good, probably disruptive to the school, the other children and your own child, but is it neglect ? No!
I don't understand the HTs actions .Firstly she is absolutely bang out of order to speak to your mother about this, and secondly it is surely a matter for the EWO not SS.
The first thing I would do is write a very calm , considered , formal letter to the school outlining the breach of confidentiality issues and requesting a meeting to discuss her allegations in person.

lljkk · 09/01/2013 14:28

I am still desperate to have more details about school OP turned down

audlangsyne · 09/01/2013 14:44

OP

You may have moved on from this post already, but I thought it worth posting in case not (having read through last night and slept on it).

What is missing from the responses here is the question: How are you feeling about the school's actions (or threat of actions)?

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the way your DD is being treated by you, on which everyone has an opinion, I think it is important how you feel?

This is just a guess, because I am also a single mum with a history of violence (against me - not DV but other violence). If I think that someone is criticizing me/ judging me/ trying to take away my control of situations, it triggers off old feelings from the time when I was a victim of violence and I feel many strong emotions.

I've learnt the hard way, after various run-ins/fights with people over the years, that being defensive/ antagonistic is counter-productive in the end, as it breaks other relationships.

You didn't deserve to be a victim of violence. But it's really important, in my experience, not to 'project' the feelings from then onto others, leading to a disproportionate response.

For example, you might feel not the normal "annoyance" that children are excluded from the audience of the nativity, but tap into "rage" against people who set rules that you are supposed to follow (reminding you of being controlled by DV abuser). If, instead of acknowledging and processing those feelings - e.g. I feel rage, I felt rage when I was trapped being controlled by someone else's rules before, I don't need to feel rage now and can feel sorry for the self who was a victim of violence as well as a lesser sorrow that my children can't see the nativity - then you will ACT them out e.g. bring your rage (either aggressively or passively) to the nativity play in flouting its rules.

It is a cycle you can get really trapped in, and does lead others to see you as "trouble".

There are good and bad people out there in the world, and it's impossible to judge from this thread whether the school headteacher is capable of being supportive or not. But I can promise from experience that it really helps to know clearly your own intentions. You will probably have anger and shame for the violent relationship for years, but work on that so they don't cloud your relationships with everyone involved in your DD's care.

somewheresomehow · 09/01/2013 16:18

if you dont want social services involved in your life then sort out your lazy idle ways and get to school on time. whether they are in lessons or not it is your responsibility to see that your kid is in school on time

Graceparkhill · 09/01/2013 17:40

Thanks for a very interesting post Auldlangsyne. It's very useful to get an insight into why someone with a history of DV may exhibit some challenging behaviours.

pylonic · 09/01/2013 17:41

The free school meals keeps being brought up so I'll explain why I haven't taken it up.

We tried them. It's a 3 course meal. My DD is a naturally slow eater, she's laid back at everything in fact, along with two other children she was always last at finishing her meal or rather didn't finish it at all, so it ate into her luncbreak playground time. It was decided best all round for me to provide lunch that way I can ensure she eats properly and also has her fresh air and playtime quota.

Her packed lunches are not unaffordable, around a pound a day.

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pylonic · 09/01/2013 17:42

Auldlangsyne

That's one of the most interesting views I have read on my situation, thank you.

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pylonic · 09/01/2013 17:44

Lljkk

The school in the new town was turned down because it's the third furthest away, has the worst Ofsted rating in the town, and is not the same school as my son is down for to start Reception this year.

We have a school at the end of the road, it will take probably 1 minute to walk there. Given my history of lateness, it's the most viable option.

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pylonic · 09/01/2013 17:45

Mam29

She's in Year 1

There are no other children in tow, I haven't done the school run since we moved out of the village last Autumn. She has been driven to school by various other family members for the past few months because I cannot afford the bus fares.

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pylonic · 09/01/2013 17:46

NorthernLurker

She hasn't been taken to school by me since last Autumn, as I said many times previously, other family members have been driving her in.

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meditrina · 09/01/2013 18:00

I didn't realise Reception class offers had yet been made.

If you will be unable to get you DCs to two schools roughly a mile apart, how will you manage it over a 4 mile journey? For there's never a guarantee of a place via waiting list, and so a double drop-off could easily be your reality come September.

iclaudius · 09/01/2013 18:03

Pylonic you sound articulate and intelligent to me but obviously have the odd issue. I think you need to work on your issues with authority. I think there are some posters on here who gave been unreasonably harsh .
Please take a step back and try and help yourself . People are not out to get you they genuinely want to grlp

iclaudius · 09/01/2013 18:04

Help

PureQuintessence · 09/01/2013 18:15

If others are driving her in, why is she late?

Surely it should not be a problem for you to get yourself out of bed, get your dd ready for school and go back to bed/enjoy a lazy breakfast?

Oblomov · 09/01/2013 18:17

I am concerned about the Op. I can't see that this thread has got her anywhere and I am worried that when she does eventually get to the school that she wants ( if she does indeed get her dd there, before her father might possibly get custody?) then the same lateness will continue and she will agian, get into trouble.

I eventually learn that fighting is most often useless.
I fought the school that ds1 is still at, and gave up in the end.
I am worried that your basic attitude has not changed Op and that you have not taken onboard some of the very good advice on this thread.

Oblomov · 09/01/2013 18:20

"She hasn't been taken to school by me since last Autumn"
so there are no excuses for lateness. And her recent lateness, since last Autumn, is not down to you? Then down to who?
I am sorry but I just don't get it.
And no siblings in tow. How old is your son that you took to the nativity?

NorthernLurker · 09/01/2013 18:35

I wish you would stop changing your story OP. In your first post you specifically stated that you had been using the bus OR family members. In another post you've said how much the bus cost per month- now you say you haven't been using the bus as you haven't done the run yourself since you moved Hmm So what exactly is going on?

She was late again today wasn't she?

Given that you moved before the primary admissions deadline you could have out your son down for a place at the school your dd was offered. At least as your second choice, hoping a place came up at the end of the road for dd too.

I think this thread is a massive waste of your time tbh. Why post when you seem unable to either be honest with us or take on board what's said.

LIZS · 09/01/2013 18:36

3/4 I think. op mentioned near beginning those giving lifts often get caught in traffic but presumably that means they should set off earlier or use a different route. If school don't regularly see the mum then maybe gm was nearest HT could speak to face-to-face, maybe thinking she might be a more major carer than she perhaps is or is covering due to an issue at home.

NorthernLurker · 09/01/2013 18:47

Well quite LIZS - if the OP isn't doing the school run at all then it would be perfectly understandable for the Head to speak to the person who was.

footflapper · 09/01/2013 19:45

I see your bad attitude as a blatant disregard for the UK education system, op. In your own words you describe it as a system that doesn't work Confused
Good job you're not doing home ed, nothing would get done! maybe give up the pot

Pancakeflipper · 09/01/2013 20:11

In short OP, yes the school report your child to SS.

This is not about you - it's about your child.

Are you going to try to improve things for the poor kid or not? Cos' so far you've had an argument for everything but cannot see any positive action. It looks like you ignore the good suggestions and just go into battle with those who challenge you on here.

Continue as you are and SS will be at your door.

And do take up the Pupil Premium even if you send her with a packed lunch cos' it doesn't just cover free meals but other things for your child in school and they will benefit from it.

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