Forced baby behaviour?

[learnandsay]

Are simplistic phonics books good, bad or neutral? If a Reception child can already read Ladybird stories such as Three Little Pigs, Where the Wild Things Are, Dr Seuss, etc, etc, etc but they're bringing home apparently the whole ORT 1+ range comprising of nothing but CVC words which present no challenge and no learning opportunity either, is reading them:

(1) a waste of time, reading time is precious, doesn't it make more sense to spend it on reading words which present a learning opportunity?

(2) potentially leading towards reading becoming uninteresting

(3) promoting ignorance - if the child can read the names of countries already the child could be reading sentences like: The Nile is the longest river in the world, instead of sentences like Dot got a pot and Bot got Dot's pot. Pat pat pat, tap tap tap.

In summary, would the time be better spent reading something useful?

I think that's probably true, but not all ways of writing sounds are equally important. For most people, if they're going to invest the time in investigating how to write sounds (supposing that they don't already know,) it probably makes much more sense to investigate the common ones, (not every one.)

I'd be interested to see more "or" sounds from "ou" as in course and source, pour. If there aren't many more I'd ignore that variant because it's not that useful.

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learnandsay "or" isn't from

the spelling for "or" in the word course, source, mourn, and pour is

Let me think about that. I didn't include the "or" sound under "ou". But maybe I don't have to. I'm too tired to give the idea a run through tonight. But maybe it's all good.

The only one I can think of is court

I learnt to read at the age of2 and loved reading, could not be stopped from reading. I got very short-sighted. I now have from age 35 myopic macular degeneration. I can't seevmy 5 month old sons face clearly. I will not be teaching him to read at all
You must recognise the long term risks in teaching children to tread too young.

I am 41 and I cannot see my first born five month old face because of learning to read too young

Please don't include the "or" sound under because it would be very wrong! the "or" sound is NOT .

I really don't think you can blame your sight problems totally on the age you learnt to read Questioneverythingtwice. I was reading at a similar age and I'm older than you and don't need glasses ...yet.

DD knows ou as ow....

I also could read at 2 and don't have any problems with my eyes (yet)....

the spelling for "or" in the word course, source, mourn, and pour (& court) is

sounds good to me. We haven't come across this combination yet.

PS
a couple more of the eye/I outliers are minutiae and buy.

Sometimes the way she reads makes sense to me and sometimes it doesn't. Reading s-eye-t for sight makes sense. But she's reading the adverts on my computer screen at the moment, one word is learning. We sounded out l-e-a-r-n-ing l, eh, ah, r, n ing, and she said learning but I don't think she "knows" that ea sounds like "ur" so I don't know how she's getting the word learning. I know she doesn't like it when a word doesn't make sense, so I'm guessing that she just fits the most likely word that she knows.

that's a bit wrong eu is making u, the r is explicit.

Questioneverything I also have macular degeneration (Stargardts). Whilst I can no longer read my son's school reading books, as they are often printed in too small a font, I was certainly able to teach him the basic letter sounds using the Early Learning Centre magnetic letters.

I have also used lots of apps on the iPad, including phonics flashcard apps, to help with reading.

Whilst I accept that the help I can give him is now pretty limited (his Horrid Henry books seem printed in a microscopic print to me), I was certainly able to give him a fair start.

I am not an ophthalmologist, but I am not sure how learning to read early could cause macular degeneration? Please enlighten me!

"We sounded out l-e-a-r-n-ing l, eh, ah, r, n ing,"

You would sound it out as "l"- "er" - "n" -"i"- "ng" (with being a spelling for the sound "er"
lots of young children try to sound out every letter rather than every sound until they have been taught that two, three and four letters can represent one sound but they very quickly grasp the concept once taught.

I am over the moon, I have got Oxford owl to work on the iPad!!!

It's the small things that make me happy

But she doesn't yet know that ea can make u

she doesn't know lots of combinations but that doesn't stop her from reading words containing them. She uses some form of common sense to extrapolate that the word must mean this from piecing together how it's written and sometimes from its context. In the advert the context wasn't apparent, but she still managed.

I'm teaching her useful combinations, digraphs and some trigraphs, when it becomes important for us to use them often.

Simpson - how on earth did you manage that? I've been trying for ages!

It's a good thing she doesn't know that can make "u" because it can't.

lurn is spelled learn

Radical - I have been trying for ages too and started a thread about it and someone told me to download puffin browser (which you can get free for 14 days) then you have to pay but it's not much and if you search for Oxford owl using puffin, it works!!!

It is not as smooth as usual and a bit jerky but hey who cares, it works!! DD is over the moon

So I might be being thick here but DD would read ear as er, is that right???

No learnandsay it isn't

The 3 sounds in the word learn are "l" "er" "n" spelt

the 3 letters ear represent the phoneme "er" (or "ur" if you prefer)

That's what I thought too

Thanks simpson!