Forced baby behaviour?

[learnandsay]

Are simplistic phonics books good, bad or neutral? If a Reception child can already read Ladybird stories such as Three Little Pigs, Where the Wild Things Are, Dr Seuss, etc, etc, etc but they're bringing home apparently the whole ORT 1+ range comprising of nothing but CVC words which present no challenge and no learning opportunity either, is reading them:

(1) a waste of time, reading time is precious, doesn't it make more sense to spend it on reading words which present a learning opportunity?

(2) potentially leading towards reading becoming uninteresting

(3) promoting ignorance - if the child can read the names of countries already the child could be reading sentences like: The Nile is the longest river in the world, instead of sentences like Dot got a pot and Bot got Dot's pot. Pat pat pat, tap tap tap.

In summary, would the time be better spent reading something useful?

They are very basic words that most children cope with perfectly well but some schools are stuck

It had like on DD's list too (which is decodable) and other words like no, go, who, give, have etc etc...

She is given them in a list form and just supposed to go through them and learn 4 a week...

But she knew them as she just picked them up in every day reading. I think if a child reads a lot they will probably already know them. I certainly never "taught" her HF words iyswim...

The only words she seems to have a mental block on ATM are would/could/ should when they appear in a book, so any tips gratefully received!!!

Mine knows that "ou" is either pronounced ow as in sound, or u as in could. So she sounds the word out and looks to see if it fits in the current context. I don't know what she'd do if she saw the word "bound" on a sheet of paper all by itself. I'll ask her.

See my DD is the other way round and would have no problem with bound/ found etc as she knows ou/ ow sound but not in could/would yet....

We read Green Eggs & Ham, that's nearly all could and should. My daughter has not come across the "or" version as in course. So for now I'm ignoring that variation.

is a way to spell "u"

Then I am assuming that our in course is or???

Someone has just given us a copy of Green Eggs and Ham but we have not tried it yet as I don't think it's going to float DD's boat. She likes books about fairies and cute animals

I'd have said the ow in sound is the same as the one in our. Course and source I'd have said. But I can't see her coming across those words soon.

yes is a way to write "or"

sounds-write.co.uk/docs/sounds_write_common_spellings_of_the_consonants_and_vowels.pdf

our is listed there under or but our doesn't have an or sound in it unless you come from Northern Ireland, or possibly Scotland, does it?

The word our on its own is ow sound ou/ow which DD does know and has just covered in reception....

Our definitely doesn't have an ow in it round here! It just sounds like ah.

How would you say source and course learnandsay?

I would say "s-or-s" and "c-or-s"

DD's teacher told us we should all acquire northern accents for the year as it would help our children learn to read

mrz, I'm fine with "or" in source and course, just not with "or" in our.

The link you posted does have "our" listed under examples of "or"
but I think in received pronunciation our has an ow sound and not an or sound.

It isn't "or" in our and I don't think anyone has suggested it is.

and the link certainly isn't saying the word our is pronounced "or"!

I didn't say that it did. I just said that it was listed under or.

Haberd is suggesting our with an "ah" sound. Isn't that a Liverpool variation where you'd say "He's staated goin out with aah Lisaah."

I agree with learnandsay - the link would have been better to put your instead...

is listed as a way to spell the "or" sound within words learnandsay that isn't saying that our (relating to us) is pronounced "or"

It's listed under or as in how it is pronounced in 'pour'.

cross posted!

the same as is a way to spell "air" (as in bear) but no one is suggesting that you pronounce the word ear as "air"