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Parents of children who have had their phonics screening

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bronze · 07/07/2012 10:57

Have you all heard how they did?

I haven't and I'm worried as I'm pretty sure dd is going to fail. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to know by now or not or if I'll be told at all

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maizieD · 14/07/2013 12:36

but for the kids who are voluntarily reading Roald Dahl, the Worst Witch, Beast Quest, Captain Underpants etc surely they can't make them do the phonics all over again??

They can, at the very least, check that the children are reading these texts accurately, not just 'getting the gist', and get them back on track, if they are not, by insisting on accuracy.

I don't know why 'getting the gist' (glorified as 'making meaning') is felt to be acceptable when accuracy is vitally important in many contexts. A scientist who couldn't instantly tell the difference between chloride, chlorate and chlorine wouldn't get very far and children who can't read exam questions properly could seriously muck up their chances by getting the wrong 'gist' and answering a question completely wrongly.

It actually makes me laugh when anti phonics authors like Michael Rosen bang on about the purpose of reading being 'making meaning' (as if good word reading skills developed through phonics actually get in the way of 'meaning'Shock). Does he not carefully choose the words he uses when writing? What is the point if children misread half of them and make a totally different 'meaning' from the one that he intended?

I have heard supposedly 'fluent' readers read in Y7 and it very often ain't pretty Sad

maja00 · 14/07/2013 13:33

How does a child know the difference between a nonsense word and a new word though Biscuitsneeded? I don't understand how you can consider a child a good reader if they can't read words they haven't come across before - even very simple one and two syllable words.

Biscuitsneeded · 14/07/2013 16:02

No I guess not. Although I think if they haven't understood the concept of the test, and are trying to make the words sound like real words, they may consciously misread simply to try to impose some sense on it. Maybe my kids' school needs to push much harder at the phonics. And maybe I need to ask them to give my son a bit more credit. He has big problems concentrating and I think they think he isn't very able, so the very fact he passed when so many 'able' kids didn't made me doubt the credentials of the test even more than I did previously. But I'm prepared to concede there are lots of good arguments here, and the reverse might be true, and he may actually have been listening better than they think he has!

mrz · 14/07/2013 16:14

If they haven't understand the concept of the test they havethere is definitely a problem as they are told when words aren't real words.

mrz · 14/07/2013 16:20

At the beginning of the check
Teachers should introduce the check as consistently as possible, bearing in mind some children may require more explanation in order to understand the task.

The check materials include a double-sided practice sheet with four pseudo-words and four real words on each side. This can be used to familiarise children with the task. If a child is struggling to decode the words on the practice sheet you should stop the check and discuss with your headteacher whether the child should be disapplied, (see section 2.3.1).
During the practice, you can give further guidance to ensure children understand the task.

For example, you may remind the child that the word must be blended, which would not be allowed during the check itself.

The following text provides an example of how you could introduce the check.

? In this activity, I am going to ask you to read some words aloud.

? You may have seen some of the words before and others will be new to you.

? You should try to read each word but don?t worry if you can?t. If it helps you, you may sound out the letters before trying to say the word.

? This practice sheet shows you what the words will look like.

? Have a go at reading out loud these four words which you should have come across before [at, in, beg and sum].

? The words on this side [turn over practice sheet] are not real words. They are names for types of imaginary creatures. You can see a picture of the creature next to each word.

? Can you read out the words on this page for me [ot, vap, osk and ect]?

? Ok, now we are going to start reading out the words in this booklet and I?m going to write down what you say on my sheet.

? In this booklet there are four words on each page. I will tell you at the start of each page whether they are real words that you may have seen before or words for imaginary creatures.

? The first page has words for imaginary creatures and you can see their pictures.
? Can you start reading the words to me?

maizieD · 14/07/2013 16:39

He has big problems concentrating and I think they think he isn't very able, so the very fact he passed when so many 'able' kids didn't made me doubt the credentials of the test even more than I did previously.

The amazing thing about decoding and blending is that almost any child can learn to do it. It has no relationship whatsoever to 'ability'. It is a lower order skill!

The 'ability' bit comes in with the understanding of what is being read and using the information given in the text.

It makes me mad when children who have struggled to learn to read are categorised as 'low ability' or, even worse, SEN. It is rarely the result of a 'fault' within the child.

Becs2000 · 29/06/2014 07:21

The pass mark will not be revealed until tomorrow by the government. In previous years the pass mark has been 32. It could be higher or lower now.

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