Phonic sounds in because

[maydaychild]

Could one of you wonderful MNetters help me with 'because' as Dd has it in her high freq this week

What is making the or sound and is the e magic
Thanks

I don't know ReadWriteInc, but I'd say that's a pretty poor, as it is a) wrong and b) undermining of a phonic approach at all.

I wonder what problem it sees with "because"? Is it because it cannot allow for normal assimilation, and if so does it do this for many other words with assimilations? Is is the "s" as /z/ - in which case does it make most plurals red words too?

It's red word in RWI because it requires the child to know some of the alternative ways the sounds can be written not because it can never be sounded out. It's very worrying that people are receiving that message.

WittyTitle with respect your school don't know what they are talking about. Have they had RWI training?

Personally I would pronounce it b ee c or s and I'm far from posh.

I would pronounce it b-e-c-o-z

Im sure they have all been trained appropriately and they must know why they're talking about they've taught both of my children to read and write fluently. My DD is 7 and is off their programme, reading at level 4 and is not dissimilar to most in her cohort. (as much as I would love hero be grin )

Then they should know better than to tell parents that the red words aren't decodable WittyTitle.

I would say it becuz so that makes it even more confusing!

Witty Title,

I'm going to name drop here. I am acquainted with Ruth Miskin, who wrote Read Write Inc, and I can assure you that she would be absolutely horrified that your children's teachers were telling them that the Red Words 'can't' be sounded out. No writer of a synthetic or linguistic phonics programme would ever say that or train the teachers who use their programmes to say that. I'm afraid that your dc's teachers are adding in some beliefs of their own.

All words are made up of sounds, all the sounds in words are represented by a letter, or group of letters. Some (a very few) of the letter/sound correspondences are very rare or bizarre; mostly because the prounciation of the word has drifted away from its original pronunciation over the years but the spelling remains the same. Nonetheless, all words can be sounded out if you know the correspondences. FFS, 'au' isn't even a particularly strange or rare correspondence. It comes in loads of words; no-one says that they can't be sounded out.

The more I hear about the idiocy of some teachers the more I want to go away and scream...

P.S I am also acquainted with the writers of Jolly Phonics, Phonics International, Sound Discovery, Sounds~Write, Fast Phonics First, The Sound Reading System, That Reading thing and Letters and Sounds.

So, if anyone wants to argue the toss about words being taught in any of those programmes as 'not capable of being sounded out' just let me know and I will go straight to the horse's mouth and ask them how they intended those words to be taught.

I follow Ruth Miskin on Twitter, and she follows me back :o

Does that count as acquainted?

I think it's unfortunate that the RWI programme has emphasised the words with 'not yet taught GPCs' using red print and calling them 'red' words.

A local Senco recently bought the lower levels of the RWI reading books (the school uses Letters and Sounds along with Book Bands) to use with the school's many struggling readers. I heard her explain to the reading helpers that she'd chosen the RWI books because she liked that the 'sight words' were clearly highlighted as red words

juniper904,

Can you explain the point of twitter to me?

I don't particularly like Facebook; too much information that I never wanted in the first place. Would I like twitter?

We are goin to have to agree to disagree, however, Red words are on pink card....could you ask miss miskin that for me?

but they are printed in red in the books which is why they are called red words.

So why not call them pink words and print them in pink? Or print them on red card?

I would imagine pink words would be lost in a page of text and red backgrounds is a visual nightmare

If they were printed on the green card, would that make them OK to be sounded out?

I bet you that the graphemes, which are to be sounded out and blended, have dots & dashes under them in just the same way as the 'green words' do.

yes they do maizieD

The red words that we get sent home when children start y1 don't have the 'morse code' underneath as DH calls it

they are still decodable words WittyTitle

'The red words that we get sent home when children start y1 don't have the 'morse code' underneath'

Perhaps your school has made its own 'red' word cards?

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Who knows, maybe the sinfully
awful teachers yet oddly successful teachers at our school do, maybe they do as to not confuse the children and teach them to sound them out

obviously they don't teach children to sound them out as the program intends

And yet it works, so not having a teaching degree myself, I shall leave them to it wink

perhaps they will be found out by the new phonic screening and Ofsted focus

You're like a dog with a bone, lol, perhaps I should give you the schools name and their phonics managers name so you can take your beef up with them personally?

I don't think that mrz likes misinformation to be perpetuated.