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Reception report shock bad grades

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Cons · 19/07/2011 15:26

My DS1 brought home his first graded school report, mainly 5's or 6's. I thought this was fine until I compared it to his friend's reports, mainly 8's some 9's, I was horrified. My husband and I are very academically minded, we both have masters degrees and believe wholeheartedly in the importance of education. What are we doing wrong? We are devastated by this report as it is the first time he has been 'graded' At home it is hard to get him to do his homework, he is not interested at all in reading, writing, maths etc. He would rather be playing. I thought this was the normal behaviour of a 5 year old boy but thought he was doing OK at school, which he obviously isn't. Should we get a tutor? It seems a bit ridiculous when he is so young but I don't want him to get even further behind next year. Are our expectations too high??

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mrsshears · 22/07/2011 22:39

on the other hand i have a 'highly intelligent' dd and myself and dh are daft as brushesGrin

mathanxiety · 23/07/2011 00:08
mathanxiety · 23/07/2011 00:11

'To other posters, I just can't believe how sarcastic and mean you can be. It is not being pushy to expect your child to receive 9s and 8s in Reception. Why not be a high flier from the off?'

Because 'achievement' or lack thereof in Reception is not any sort of indicator of future high or low flying.

Achievement in Reception is not a reflection of fantastic parenting practices or genetic propensity to excellence either.

It is largely dependent on biology.

mrz · 23/07/2011 07:51

Nevertheless mathanxiety you linked to that particular report card which shows that in some areas of the US (and without knowing how similar or different) schools are using very formal assessment methods.
mathanxiety I think you completely misunderstand what scoring an 8 (or 9) means in reception. It doesn't necessarily indicate a child is a high flier ... the scores are about developmental stages not academic achievement.

teacherwith2kids · 23/07/2011 10:07

I understand what you are saying mrz - and it fits with what I believe. However, someone who came in to look at my school's performance recently (not Ofsted yet, thank goodness) basically said that we were not doing well because the levels at the end of the EYFS did not translate into enough Level 3s at KS1 - basically, they used EYFS levels as a predictor of achievement rather than as a description of development, extrapolated KS1 grades from them and said that as we didn't achieve those grades we were doing badly...

As a school, we don't believe that is right (KS1 levels, apart from anything else, only look at specific subjects and all the social, fine and gross motor, KUW stuff doesn't get assessed at all) but it seems that at least some of those 'in authority' DO use EYFS levels as a predictor, even as a measure, of academic success in Maths and Literacy.

mrz · 23/07/2011 10:19

Your head should have the following information

The Early Years Foundation Stage Profile (EYFSP)is a way of summing up each childs development and learning achievement at the end of the Foundation Stage. <strong>Its primary purpose is to provide Year 1 practitioners with reliable and accurate information about each childs level of development. Members are reminded that it is NOT a mechanism for agencies such as LAs, SIPs and Ofsted to use as a marker for future achievement, and should therefore play no part in the target setting procedure, or relate directly to KS1 and KS2 outcomes.

Jan Dubiel, Programme Lead, EYFSP, at QCDA,has re-emphasised that:-

It is nonsense to expect every child to make 2 points progress per term on the profile.
There is no expectation or requirement that evidence is always recorded or documented-practitioners should only record what is significant.
P Scales are designed for children accessing the National Curriculum in KS1 or beyond who are not attaining Level1. They are not for EYFS children.
There is NO equivalence between EYFS Profile Scale Points/ scores and National Curriculum Levels.
There is NO reliable statistical correlation between EYFS Profile attainment and NC KS1 at national level.
Demonstrating progress is an issue, however, and schools do need to have a clear rationale of why children are where they are.
<strong>Good, holistic EYFS practice, in Jan`s opinion, tends to manifest itself at ages 11 to 14 in terms of confidence, creativity and self esteem, not at KS1 or KS2 SATs level</strong>.

The message is therefore clear. No outside bodies should be applying undue and inappropriate pressure on schools with regards to EYFSP outcomes when discussing targets for later years` achievements or national curriculum test results.

emeraldislander · 23/07/2011 11:35

I was a very inexperienced NQT back in the day ..... assessed half of my YR class at being 7,8, or 9 (genuinely thought they were) ... caused all sorts of trouble when that same class hit Y2 and weren't getting level 3s across the board...

The next years, after some training into how to mark the bloody thing I was much more conservative in my judgements. Our LA had a ridiculously high threshold in terms of the evidence a teacher had to provide before a child could be said to safely and securely working at that point on the profile. No such thing as teacher judgement in my LA! I found that for some kids, I simply didn't have enough paper/anecdotal/photo evidence to award the scale point even though I suspected they were well able to do it. So kids may well have been judged below their developmental capability. I'm thinking especially of the boys who refused to be dragged'child-initiated' into any activity that looked remotely like work. They were having too much fun, on the trikes or in the sand with their friends.

To the OP : Unless the teacher or SENCo has flagged up a cause for concern then relax. You or your DH being intelligent is not necessarily a cast-iron guarantee that your DC will be academic high-fliers too. I would be focusing on the progress that he had made since YN. If he had made little progress across the board since Nursery then I would be asking some questions ie. is it attention, personality, behaviour in class, pace of learning etc.

teacherwith2kids · 23/07/2011 11:56

mrz,

Do you have a reference for that? (Head may well have it but for various reasons, which would identify me so I won't post them here, may not have it to hand....)

mrz · 23/07/2011 12:04

Teachers may question the purposes and techniques of assessment at EYFS. Jan Dubiel, Programme Leader for the Early Years Foundation Stage Profile at the National Assessment Agency, discusses the practical reality of assessment at this level

It would be fair to say that the word ?assessment? has acquired something of a negative reputation. For many practitioners, it conjures up notions of measurement, statistics, graphs and external scrutiny. In some cases it can even create a sense of disempowerment and frustration; that the process, practice and outcomes of assessments are something wholly separate from the day- to-day reality and purpose of early years settings, and that assessments are being undertaken for no apparent purpose other than they have to be. Worse still, it can be felt that assessments reflect and promote an agenda of forcing children inappropriately up the developmental scale. There were certainly times when this was the perception of the Foundation Stage Profile (FSP); so, when the word ?assessment? is applied to children from birth, it would appear to be an even more unwelcome activity.

However, there is a need to redefine the word for our own purposes, to reclaim its meaning so that it does make sense it terms of what we do, that it does have a distinct reality and purpose and that is recognised as a vital aspect of effective practice and provision throughout the Early Years Foundation Stage (EYFS).

Assessment in the EYFS
The EYFS Practice Guidance glossary defines assessment like this: ?Through observing children... practitioners can make professional judgements about children?s achievements and decide on the next steps in learning?. As a generic description for working with children from birth to five, this clarifies the purpose of assessment. Furthermore:

assessment is not an end in itself or an isolated activity for its own sake
assessment is about observing and understanding the uniqueness of children at any age or stage and in any setting
assessment is about a practitioner making sense of that understanding, acquired predominantly through observation, and using that information to support children?s development
assessment is a vital, vibrant and dynamic tool that enables practitioners to identify that uniqueness and ensure that provision supports, challenges and extends children?s development and learning.

The EYFS goes on to state that the implementation of the four key themes will require practitioners to:

recognise children as competent and influential individuals who need to be involved in their own assessment
work with other adults who are important to the child
recognise each child?s individual route to learning
build a broad picture of the child ? this should range widely, incorporating and interconnecting all the areas of Learning and Development.

The EYFS also states that practitioners should:

make systematic observations and assessments of each child?s achievements, interests and learning styles
use these observations and assessments to identify learning priorities and plan relevant and motivating learning experiences for each child
match their observations to the expectations of the early learning goals.

This means that practitioners must implement clear, principled approaches and a seamless continuum of assessment from the child?s first days in a setting to the end of the EYFS. These approaches should take into account the transitions that children make from setting to setting.

What this means in practice
In the everyday reality of early years practice, this is a practitioner noticing that a nine-month-old child is responding differently to new objects and textures and providing different materials to support their exploration. It is the practitioner in a nursery watching the 18-month-old child use a cup for the first time and praising them to enhance their self-esteem. It is also recognising when a young child is experimenting with new words and supporting this by giving him time and praise, or engaging in a conversation about how a model was made or why the colours for a particular pattern were chosen.

As practitioners, we do this every day, hundreds of times. With every interaction, every moment that is seen or heard, every gesture, action or word spoken, we ?log? (often subconsciously) information about individual children. This knowledge and collection of information drives and determines our future interactions with them, and how we modify, adapt and refine our provision to enable this to take place. This is what assessment really is and this is what needs to be acknowledged and reclaimed by practitioners.

The recent publication Creating the Picture (2007) establishes a set of principles for early childhood assessment, creating a clear framework for practitioners to use. (These principles of assessment and how they can enable practitioners to fulfil this vitally important aspect of their role were explored in detail in ?Putting the principles for observational assessment into practice? Early Years Update 57.)

mathanxiety · 23/07/2011 19:22

No, mrz, I am completely aware of the scores' significance. It is the OP and Sukima who apparently do not understand what the numbers refer to. My comment about high flying or otherwise was addressed to Sukima, in reply to her post indicating she thought aiming high was the duty of parents, that 'scoring' a 9 should be every parent's aim for their child. Read my posts again. I thought I was making myself clear.

Sadly, it seems that Ofsted does not really understand what the 'scores' are supposed to mean either. IMO, when you have any sort of body out there compiling statistics on children's 'performance' you end up with pressure to 'improve performance', raise 'scores' and achieve a favourable Ofsted rating (because this is how it is inevitably seen by pen pushers whose job it is to compare and contrast, and this view trickles down to teachers). It may not be what was initially envisaged when the EYFS rubric was compiled, but it is how things have developed. A good deal of sense has obviously been lost in translation both in communication with the educational bureaucracy and with parents.

I pointed out that the specific linked report card was for one particular county (not 'some areas') and stated from the outset that my DCs received a very similarly laid out report, not an exact facsimile. Read my posts about the example again. I do not understand what your problem is with the link. What more can I say about it?

mrz · 23/07/2011 20:22

Whether it is a report card from your child's school (and I was fully aware it was not) it still remains a fact that this practice is normal despite all your previous assertions only the UK carries out such cruel methods ...

If you are aware why do you persist in maintain and promote the fiction?

perpetualsucker · 23/07/2011 20:26

What are 8s and 9s? DD just got some comments about how she's doing in the 3 or 4 areas they cover. She has no homework, worksheets or spellings. Do we live on another planet?

mrz · 23/07/2011 20:33

Schools are legally required to report scores out of 9 (1-3 developmental matters 4-8 Early Learning Goals 9 working beyond) for all 13 areas to the DfE. They are also legally required to provide parents with a written summary of their child's development. Parents can ask to see the scores if they wish but your comments are the norm.

perpetualsucker · 23/07/2011 23:12

Now I know what these scores are, would not be concerned if dd got 5s and 6s. She is not meeting the requirements for communication, language and literacy, for example, because she's so shy that teacher is not able to capture enough evidence to record evidence of her attainment. She's bright and a good reader tho.'

mathanxiety · 24/07/2011 07:15

Mrz, I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

I linked to a report card.
It is laid out similarly to one my DCs used to receive.
It is a one size fits all blank, where teachers can fill out any part they wish, thanks to the decentralised nature of the 'system'.
My DCs received very similar cards from kdg right through to 4th grade.
As they advanced through school, the focus became more and more academic and that was reflected in the parts of the card that were filled out and also in the teacher comment section, where the kdg focus on behaviour like sharing, self-care, and co-operation shifted to attention to homework, etc.

The fact that a report card is laid out in a certain way in the US does not mean what it might mean in Britain.
The US education 'system' is highly decentralised.
Each school district establishes its own policies and practices. Usually each parochial school can do the same, but this may vary from diocese to diocese.
Therefore, from one school district to another, and certainly among private schools, teaching and assessment aims and practices can vary enormously and what is filled out in the report card can therefore vary too.
Not every school can be bothered to design and print its own specific report card.
Some teachers fill in a detailed comments section, even attaching an extra page, while ignoring the parts that focus on 'academic achievement'.

mrz · 24/07/2011 11:10

It is a one size fits all blank, where teachers can fill out any part they wish, thanks to the decentralised nature of the 'system'.

Interesting Hmm one size fits all... very different to the UK

sukima · 24/07/2011 16:09

cory, if your child is making progress and you are happy with their level according to their ability, then great. you can put in as much extra time on home learning as you choose to... dependent on how important you feel it is at this stage.

as we all know, every child is different.

i posted because there were so many sarcastic harsh comments to the OP who had very real concerns about the development of HER child and the level s/he was at.

and to ormirian, if you really feel that resorting to cheap bad langauge is sophisticated, that, my dear, is your perogative.

colditz · 24/07/2011 16:29

I haven't been given any levels for Ds2, yet hve been assured that he's bright and doing well (just finished reception)

Should I ask?

mrz · 24/07/2011 17:50

The school has to give parents a written "summary" report you are entitled to ask for scores (but they are pretty meaningless ) The report should give you a clear picture of your child in school.

mathanxiety · 24/07/2011 18:47

There was no harshness or sarcasm, Sukima, just common sense; most people shudder at the thought of someone misguidedly hiring a tutor for a five year old child. Most people know that anyone who pretends to be a tutor for a five year old is a charlatan.

Mrz, I have no idea why you are choosing to comment on sentence fragments from my posts Confused.

cory · 24/07/2011 20:52

sukima Sun 24-Jul-11 16:09:25
"cory, if your child is making progress and you are happy with their level according to their ability, then great. you can put in as much extra time on home learning as you choose to... dependent on how important you feel it is at this stage."

No, sukima, it does not just matter how I feel about it. It also matters what he feels and what is best for him.

I know parents who have felt justified to keep pushing their children and expecting things of them that they could not possibly deliver- those children have grown into very unhappy adults, always feeling they are not good enough. But the parents felt within their rights, because to them it was all about how they felt about having a child who was not top of the class.

sukima · 24/07/2011 22:00

of course it matters what both you and your child feel, cory.

but he cannot judge at this age what is best for him can he?

that is why as parents we try our hardest to make the right call according to what we think the child needs.

only time will tell if we did right.

but may we do the best we can, and act from our heart.

mathanxiety · 24/07/2011 22:18

'What is best for him' ???

The danger of the sort of self delusion that leads parents to hothouse or hire a tutor for a 5 year old or take it personally when a child's Reception assessment does not match the report of the parent's dreams is that you may well, as a parent, feel you are acting in your child's best interest but you may in fact be guided by your own ego needs.

lovecorrie · 24/07/2011 22:25

My dd got all 8's and, whilst i was very pleased, I am more concerned that she is happy, contented, sociable and enjoying school. My ds has just left primary school (sob) and his sats results were 4's - HE told ME that most of his friends got 5's but neither of us could give two hoots. he did his best and is happy. It pleased me as much as her 8's.