Parents becoming teachers? Is it me or has Gove totally lost it?

[sogrownup]

How do you feel about going into school to cover for a teacher who is on strike? Is there anyone out there who believes that this is a sound idea.... I think it's madness!!

In what parallel world does a parent not feel disconcerted when they see a word like 'failing'?

In terms of private sector mentality, I'm all for it.
Not up to the job?
Out on yer arse.

In my naive youthful days I used to loathe places like Macdonalds.#Now I admire them.If we could guarantee a ceretain standard for most of the kids coming out of our schools, like you can guarantee a certain standard of hamburger, then it would be a very fine day indeed.

Teachers should of cxourse first be unshackled from all the crap they have to put up with referred to earlier.

moondog - I'm trying to be polite with you, there's no need to SHOUT.

Too many people come on here blaming and criticising all of the teachers on here for the tiny little things that the ONE teacher they come into contact with does or doesn't do. It's infuriating!

...is the point I was trying to make.

oh god yes Feenie. It's appalling isn't it. I have students who expect to be solicitors, who will send emails like that (and full of smileys etc) and then tantrum because they are not getting jobs and work placements (or 2:1s). I think the internet has a hell of a lot to answer for here. However, it' clear that English language teaching in particular is no longer fit for its purpose. I don't blame the teachers for that but the ludicrous systems and curricula that have been imposed on them.

So Feenie, hoe long does this tsake then for each?
'30 x pieces of writing, at least twice a week, 30 pieces of Maths, 5 times a week, 30 x Science work, 30 x tables tests, 30 x History/Geography/RE per week'

It's laudable of course but the timestables for a start could be tackled in minutes.

absolutely, Oakmaiden...

Nunsoqueer - why are you so sure that in the 70's/80's (or whenever the golden age was when you went to school) you would have been sent CV's that were of a better quality?

moondog Sun 26-Jun-11 22:59:36
So Feenie, hoe long does this tsake then for each?

At last someone admits and reveals they have no real idea of what teaching involves.

Feenie at the lower case 'i'

Oh yes, moondog, those are easy. But as a previous poster says, a piece of writing, perhaps 2 x A4, which needs to be read, corrected (within reason) and commented on properly, will take 10 minutes at the least.

I don't know how long it takes. Some I mark at playtime, some in my lunch time, some I take home to mark after ds has gone to bed. I just wade through it when I can, and in time (mostly) to use what I've learnt to plan the following lessons. It's part of the job.

Michael Gove, for example, is a twat.

Ms, your powers may be myriad but they do not extend to ESP.
I have many years experience of teaching-both in the UK and abroad.

OK, OK, I was seizing on that to highlight the point that many on here don't...but why don't you if you have all that experience?

I know where Feenie is coming from with the marking. If you are in a school that demands it (for whatever reason) it's hard work.

Why don't I what Ms?

what a twat

I know he's a twat, he's always a twat, but he keeps surpassing himself with the twattery. I am constantly shocked at how twatty he is, which is pretty good going, I reckon

he must lie awake at nights, wondering how he's going to out-twat himself

Love Gove. Pro Free Schools. Think this is a great idea. If teachers are selfish enough to sacrifice the education of the children for their own pensions then why not allow parents to try to clear the mess?

(hard hat, etc)

One day out of school for some children is not the same as 'sacrificing' their education.

You could turn it around and say that some parents are selfish enough to sacrifice the future financial wellbeing of teachers for ONE day's education.

But I wouldn't do that, because it is clearly ludicrous.

Nope, didn't think so.

We all need to accept that within any role there are people who do a great job and people who do not, people who deserve more income and people who deserve less...

We can't take a general view and if we have had a bad experience with a teacher, police officer, nurse etc, we can't judge all as being of that standard.

Fact is there are a great many amazing, dedicated, inspirational teachers and we should support them if they decide to strike this week. Parents should not attempt to take to the classroom!!!

chubsasaurus: in you go then, 30 June is your chance to practice for the free school you no doubt intend to set up (or are you rather going to wait for someone else to do it while you moan about how awful state provision is?).

What will be on your curriculum? Good old Tory common sense, I bet. Best of luck with it, you'll sure need that hard hat.

I really don't understand why so many teachers are so determined to prove that we are overworked and underpaid and have it so much harder than others.

We don't. And if we did, why would you do it?

The pay:
I don't get it. We have a good salary imo. I earn just over £26000 a year and am only in my 5th year of teaching with one small TLR. That is a very decent wage.
I didn't know that we don't get paid for the holidays. If that is true then our salary is very generous.

The hours:
For goodness sake, so many jobs have take home work. Knocking off at 5 doesn't mean knocking off at 5 for many many professionals. And the hours average out due to the long holidays.
In term time I spend between 45 and 80 hours in school a week depending on what's going on. But in holiday time I probably average 2 or 3 hours work a day tops if its averaged out over all the days.
I very rarely take work home from school.

The holidays:
Come on, be honest, no teacher (okay, I know one) spends their entire holiday time working. Out of the 14 weeks holiday I get I sincerely doubt that I spend more than 5 or 6 of them working and I think I work harder than the average just judging on my own colleagues. That still leaves a lot more holiday than most people get.

Yes, the pension changes suck but that's life. Deal with it, everyone else has to.

I'm not sure chubasaurus has children...

Why is that, if one day?s strike is going to be so detrimental to a child?s education, so many parents expect to take term time holidays, days off to see Take That or book non urgent dental and opticians appointments in school time?

If you're only on £26,000 after 5 years you ARE being underpaid. That's M3 on the payscale, I'm sure.