Parents becoming teachers? Is it me or has Gove totally lost it?

[sogrownup]

How do you feel about going into school to cover for a teacher who is on strike? Is there anyone out there who believes that this is a sound idea.... I think it's madness!!

(was referring to Xenia).

LOL I wonder if anyone in Gove's department has found this thread yet, since they seem to be quite keen on using MN to gauge public opinion.

Look Michael, all these MNers queuing up to go into their childrens' schools on Thursday..... not.

Sorry which employer is contributing 14.1% to the pension pot?

Anyway this race to the bottom is counterproductive. The private sector should be battling for their own pension packages to be decent., instead of succumbing to tory divide and rule tactics

Otherwise we are all going to be reliant on state benefits when we are older, state funded social care and so on. Old age is going to be very grim at this rate.

Public sector workers do pay tax as well, Xenia.

Boysrock - we won't be reliant on state benefits when we are older. There won't be any state benefits, or state funded social care. We can't actually afford to look after old people.

"Add message | Report | Message poster aliceliddell Mon 27-Jun-11 15:35:58
I'm fascinated by the idea that the public sector is a drain on the taxpayer, while the private sector is entirely independent. Surely the private sector is funded by profits which are made from the work and purchasing power of people who are also taxpayers?
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Quite. A few years ago dd's resoite workers were employed directly by the council. So public sector workers. This all changed and they lost their jobs ( and did Nyone care when low paid carers doi a vital job lost? Did they fuck). Now respite care is via private agencies. But paid for by the council.
This costs the taxpayer more as the agency exists to make a proft. Workers are still paid a paltry 6 piunds an hiur but the council is charged £14.50 an hour by the agency.
Something deep,y wrong there.
The same hapoens with agency nusrse. Private company charges more.

So with these professions, carers, nurses, doctors, teachers, piloce etc etc, its cheaper to employ them direct. Once its all private sector the taxpayer will end up paying more.

Ouch your more despondent than I am rabbitstew.

however, I think your right on that one. So that leads to the question of what sort of life our dc will have. Since they will be expected to work till at least 70 and look after old age parents who are financially unable to survive and probably in need of care.

At least those in the public sector have the wit to fight for a decent pension to enable us to remain independent.
I'm quite curious as to what all these in the private sector plan to do with themselves since they are so happily pointing out how awful their pensions are, given that the average wage is £25k and the pensions are basic from all accounts

There is always the final solution... Free pills for all to end it before you become too much of an embarrassment.

Free with your Mail on Sunday! Move over Cliff.

There was a Teach First presentation at the student's Union across the way from me this morning. I restrained myself from laughing at all the bright eyed keen young things who had been lured there by the glossy ads promising them £40,00 salaries and classes full of keen, well behaved children.

Most people in the private sector do not have pensions at all - 72%

When it comes down to the actual pound in your pocket people would rather have it now.

Teachers can always opt out of the TPS if they think it is unfair, and start their own pension investment. How many will opt out if the changes go through.

I don't support the strike. In fact, I'm pretty annoyed about it. But, I also won't be going in to help because I have a job to go to. And, unlike the teachers, I feel obligated to carry out my contractual duties. But, I don't sympathise with the government either. I pay taxes to run these schools. They are not open. I want a tax rebate. And I am certainly not going to go do a job for free because they have failed to provide it.

I see a lot of comments on here about how overworked the teachers are and how the school are not up to scratch. I imagine both of these things are true. But these problems have nothing to do with pensions and everything to do with class sizes.

Now, if teacher were striking because class size sould be say 20 or even 25, then I'd get in a que behind them and carry a sign. But, that isn't the objection. So, I do not support the strike.

sorry strike out if - insert WHEN

rabbitstew, I think you may have hit the nail on the head there - I truly believe that if about a million of us (the sick, the disabled, the elderly) just did not wake up tomorrow, the tories would be overjoyed

So what happens when people are in old age if they have no pension?
I can opt out of my pension and have an extra £200 in my pocket every month. It would make quite a difference. But if I do so I am in dire poverty and reliant on the state in old age.

Or perhaps I'm being the mug.

Most people do not think beyond the end of the week - lets face it, if as they say, on the AVERAGE wage of £24000 most people have no savings, folks earning under that will not have the money to put away for a future that may not happen. Most people will therefore rely on their state pension and the top ups.

The pensions time bomb is all around us - we can't afford to keep paying out for longer and longer for state pensions or public sector ones. Hence the retirement age is changing in both.

Aren't there far far too many qualified teachers for the posts available? Since the govt paid trainees £6000 to train? I think that some teachers are working as TAs now, and there are more and more newly qualified ones coming on to the jobs market? If I am wrong in this, please tell me. I am probably about 4 years out of date.

Ah I see work till you drop theory.

Yes that ties in quite nicely with the dismantle the NHs theory, if we cant afford healthcare we wont be a worrisome burden to the younger generation as we will also be dead earlier.

Simples.

It's just so wrong on every level.

ByTheWay there was a short bit in the guardian today that local government leaders are worried that if members do pull out then local investment funds could collapse causing wider problems on the stock market. I actually don't know how teachers' pension contributions are invested but I imagine that if a large proportion of members opt out (which I am seriously considering if the proposals go ahead) I would imagine it would have a similar knock on effect.

BTW this thread has been linked on the guardian website, so Gove's bods probably have read it.

Yep most will now have to work til they drop -fortunately due to my grandad's urging and my desire to escape poverty for good I have made provision for my future over and above local government and civil service pensions.

I just spoke to ds3's SNu teacher: she says there is no way she can keep autistic kids safe when she is her late sixties, it's simply not going to work.

She said she was asked by teh LEA to keep the unit open as SN teahcers could be exempt fro m strike; her response was 'as our jobs are different, can we be exempt from working on?'- ewr no.

She said she's happy to pay extra to pension if required, but she does not want to be faced with a choice between working until an age where the kids she has are not cared for (she does a lot of running after boltees etc) or having to take early retirement on reduced benefits: I can see that

I do hope Gove is reading this.

Or perhaps he's brushing up on Newton's Law of Relativity or some such. Wanker.

Triplets not all trainee teachers got the gold handshake, it depended on the subject. I paid to train through a loan that I am paying back on top of my loans from doing my first degree. I think this is the same for the majority of teachers.

strix teachers can only strike over contractual pay and conditions, not about class sizes, the endless new initiatives, the ridiculous paperwork and box ticking and so on.