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Parents becoming teachers? Is it me or has Gove totally lost it?

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sogrownup · 26/06/2011 20:15

How do you feel about going into school to cover for a teacher who is on strike? Is there anyone out there who believes that this is a sound idea.... I think it's madness!!

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Peachy · 27/06/2011 14:31

Quite Riv

Isn;t there something inIreland where teahcers can be required to work for little if unemployed? Or it was suggested at least.

Jinx1906 · 27/06/2011 14:32

If it wasn't for the social aspect of Primary school, I would educate at home. But as the matter stands I would not consider going in to teaching because I earn a nice salary in the job that I'm doing, which I also happen to enjoy and should allow me to retire slightly earlier and enjoy life, but not a the cost of the tax payer.

I happen to be CRB checked and help out as a volunteer when I have time. Work that could be done by someone who gets paid for it, but I'm happy to be able to do what I can help. Just knowing that the time I give makes a difference to some is enough to me.

Of course we need more people in to teaching, but if the current lot, who don't really want to be there would go, I'm sure there would be loads to replace them with a the local job centres.

Peachy · 27/06/2011 14:34

Jinx would you really be happy with that?

People need a teaching qual to teach, I am considering applying myself, not sure in the current climate. but the important thing about teaching is that you ahve to WANT to do it. And very few do; of those that do many have a very idealised version that doesn;t invovle SEN, EBD, etc (now I love SEN teaching but it's my speciality so different)

Kez100 · 27/06/2011 14:35

I'm CRB checked and I won't be going in. I couldn't teach effectively (as I mentioned in another post). Even f I could, I wouldn't. I disagree with the reasons for the strike but I agree that teachers have the right to do so, legally, and it is legal. Therefore, no one except for teachers who don't want to strike should cross the picket line.

Badgercub · 27/06/2011 14:36

"if the current lot, who don't really want to be there would go"

Who are those lot then?

I've never worked with any teachers who don't actually want to be in teaching. I can assure you, anyone who doesn't like the job doesn't last very long.

Irksome · 27/06/2011 14:37

They do want to be there.
They just don't want to be fucked over and disrespected all the time!

I am more and more coming round to the idea that teachers should do a 'work to rule' rather than a strike.

Oh, Mr L, can I just have a quick word after school about dc.... Nope, sorry, I don't teach after 3.15.

No more plays, no more class assemblies, no clubs, no special leavers' dos for year 6, you ring up the form tutor and they won't answer because they're on a PPA lesson, no sports teams....

Kez100 · 27/06/2011 14:38

I do think Jinx is right when she/he says there will be plenty lining up to take teaching jobs when people leave (if they do). Graduates are certainly lining up for mine!

Peachy · 27/06/2011 14:39

I ahve Badger but mainly in specialist provisions. And usually the Head has them identified and was pushing them- shall we say- sideways. Towards the door.

' disagree with the reasons for the strike but I agree that teachers have the right to do so, legally, and it is legal.

Good point fro that; the right to strike is enshrined in law, demanding in terms of voting etc so worth respecting. It would be a terrible loss (and not just the state sector, I never get that one; Dh's last industtry was prone to striking and private sector, and now he has Equity to deal with )

WynkenBlynkenandNod · 27/06/2011 14:40

I have just taken my CRB form into DS's school this morning as am going to be Treasurer on PTA and need it done for that. It won't be done in time but there is no way on earth I would use it to go into school on Thursday if it was. What I'll do is open my house to friends who have to work (I work from home) to take the pressure off those who are stuck.

Then in September I'll work my backside off to try and raise funds to replace the things that are now going since the cuts. But go in and help during a strike ? Mr Gove knows where he can shove that idea !

Michiem · 27/06/2011 14:41

I love it when people say "if you don't like it leave", some of the best teachers do, then those schools get complaints from the pushy parents telling us we don't do enough for their kids and threaten to send them to private/independent schools (as those on better pay than me can). I teach because I love the job and the kids I work with, it's bloody hard and my own family life suffers at times but I truly love working with young people. I think you'll find that even if the government goes ahead with their pension changes and attempts to undermine our pay ad conditions, there will still be teachers going into school - it's not about the money. Thank you to the person who said "just because the private sector pensions are a mess doesn't mean we need to f up the public sector ones", I'm from Oxford and remember the impact of Robert maxwell raiding his company pensions scheme leaving his workers with nothing. A a taxpayer I acknowledge that my taxes go towards supporting everyone in our society private/public and I am horrified at the way private sector pensions are sometime managed, but don't hate me for the fact that I am part of an organisation that is willing to say that it's not right. Its your choice to stay in the private sector, if you don't like it - leave

Peachy · 27/06/2011 14:43

Wynken- the lcoals chool is open (am still affected as ds3's SNU is closing) but yes I would take kids in too.

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sogrownup · 27/06/2011 14:44

I am sad to see so many people playing into the hands of the government.

Takethatlady is so accurate and I'm pleased to see that her opinions are supported by the majority (both teaching and non teaching) within this thread .
For once we should support teachers completely and stop making all these rediculous comparisons.
I'm not a teacher and I have had various experiences with DS's school (good and not so good), but one thing is certain, you don't enter this profession for the high income and lots of perks...you go into teaching because you believe in education. I take my hat off to all the inspirational, dedicated teachers out there!!

Good luck if you do decide to go out on strike this week...

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sogrownup · 27/06/2011 14:47

Need to go back to school...meant ridiculous

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Kez100 · 27/06/2011 14:49

Michiem - the private pensions are not a mess because they have been raided. This isn't something that's failed it's a process of evolution - pensions were designed to pay out for a few years. Now they are not fit for purpose because people live longer and draw on them for longer. They cannot be maintained. They have to change somehow at sometime and, luckily, it has taken decades before yours have been targetted.

bullet234 · 27/06/2011 14:52

Like this Irksome?

Irksome · 27/06/2011 14:57

bullet precisely! .

growlybear · 27/06/2011 15:25

I can never understand why parents are accused of using teachers as child minders at the end of the day if we didn't send our children to school boy oh boy would we be in a lot of trouble.

aliceliddell · 27/06/2011 15:35

I'm fascinated by the idea that the public sector is a drain on the taxpayer, while the private sector is entirely independent. Surely the private sector is funded by profits which are made from the work and purchasing power of people who are also taxpayers?

hockeyforjockeys · 27/06/2011 15:44

Probably growlybear because only this morning Francis Maude declared on the Today program that schools purposes were education (which he wanted to stress was very important) but was also childcare. When you have government ministers spouting this, it is fairly natural to assume a lot of parents feel the same way.

Xenia · 27/06/2011 15:48

This government needs support from tax payer parents who are sick of public sector pensions and their burden. It's a great idea to let parents in. It means workers don't lose a day's pay and the country carries on the strike is broken. Win win win all round. Go for it.

boysrock · 27/06/2011 15:50

I'm also fascinated by how thivk people have to be to think that public sector is a drain on resources. That really is swallowing right wing propaganda without thinking.

eg;schools educate (or bring up if you cba ) children so that they can be productive members of the work force, thus maintaining our place within the G8.

Nhs treats people so that they can become/continue to be preoductive members of the workforce.

Binmen empty the bins so we can all continue to function and so on.

So which parents will that be going in Xenia - you letting anyone off for the day to impart their skills and knowledge?

boysrock · 27/06/2011 15:54

Personally I'm beginning to think that as nhs I dont care if they privatise it. People will realise what they have now only when it goes.

Yes , thinking about it I am quite sick of taking a heavy responsibility and being told that I should be doing it for little reward and be grateful.

The reality is I could take a private sector job for the same money and less responsibility but have enhanced bonus and package.

ByTheWay · 27/06/2011 15:54

Trouble is for private sector, "private" pensions, employers do not contribute 14.1% of salary to the pension pot . We taxpayers can't afford to do that for teachers anymore.....

Most pension schemes have the major cop out statement nowadays of:
"Increases or decreases in the cost of providing the scheme may, in the future, need to be shared between employers and employees, in accordance with government guidance." Which is why the employee share is going to increase .

Ishani · 27/06/2011 15:54

I don't agree with the strike but this is bonkers let parents babysit for each other in their own homes to help out by all means but not to undermine the teachers position.

rabbitstew · 27/06/2011 15:56

Aah. The words of someone who resents the essential nature of the public sector.

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