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Private for 1st child, state for 2nd child-experiences please!

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Mangomargarita · 22/03/2011 21:55

DD1 is at private school at the moment in year 4. Her sister will be joining reception this September at a state school.

Don't really want to have a discussion on which is better private or state - as for us the financial struggle of putting a second child through private school is just not worth it.
However, I can't help but feel slightly nervous about DD2 joining reception this September, I think the main worry being the much larger class sizes.
I would love to hear if anyone has done, what was your experience and what did you find the biggest adjustment-would really appreciate if you would come and let me know.

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CeciC · 22/03/2011 22:15

Hello there,
I don't have any experience myself as my DDs both are attending state primary at the moment. But one of my DD2 friends has her older brother at a private school. She started Rec. at the same school where her brother goes, but didn't cope well and lost withing a few weeks of starting all her confidence. So her parents decided to move her to a state school. She is very happy and as far as I can see, there is no problem at all. I know they want the boy to attend the local seconday school, he is currently in Y4.
I think at this age it shouldn't matter that much. It might be more of a problem as they grow older.
Do you want your DD1 to attend state secondary or you'll be happy for her to continue private? May be if she goes to a state school for secondary education, you could use the saving to send your DD2 for the rest of the primary?
My DD1 is in Y5 and she doesn't want to go private. She said the other day that she won't mind if her sister decides to go private later on.
Hopefully people with more experience in the matter will come and give you some more useful adice
Good luck in your decision!

amothersplaceisinthewrong · 22/03/2011 22:19

I think it very unfair to educate one child privately but not the other just because you can only afford to do it for one. For this reason we educated both of ours in the state sector.

magdalene · 22/03/2011 22:23

That is so judgemental anothersplaceisinthewrong

llareggub · 22/03/2011 22:27

Why don't you move the older child into state? How will you manage the logisitics of two schools?

llareggub · 22/03/2011 22:29

It might be judgmental but you can guarantee everyone you know will wonder why you've treated your children differently and every now and again someone will ask you why. People can be very nosy!

Hulababy · 22/03/2011 22:32

I wouldn't be able to treat them differently. How will you explain to your DD in the future why she didn't have her education paid for but your DS did?

Unless you have good reasons for having different forms of education for each child I think you are on dodgy grounds for the future with your children.

To the outside it looks like your DS is getting an unfair advantage over your DD.

EdwardorEricCantDecide · 22/03/2011 22:33

I kind of agree that it's not fair to have one at state and one private why not do both state for primary, spend extra time on learning at home to keep them ahead and use the saving to send them both to private for secondary?

magicmummy1 · 22/03/2011 22:35

No personal experience here, but I agree that it seems unfair to treat your kids differently purely for financial reasons. Different if you are considering the specific needs of individual children and you conclude that they need different sorts of schools. But if you basically believe that private schools are best and that state schools are the second best option, I think you'll have a hard time explaining this "inequity" to your DC2 when she's older. Especially if she happens to do worse than dd1.

Hanleyhigh · 22/03/2011 22:36

My dh's parents did this with him and his brother.

Their (sibling) relationship never recovered and thirty years later the repercussions are hideous.

cheapskatemum · 22/03/2011 22:39

Hi! Well, for very long & involved reasons, DS1 is our only child educated privately, no-one has ever asked me why. State schools have been absolutely fine for DSs 2, 3 & 4 so far. The only time I've had issues with class size is last academic year when DS3 was in a class of 24 for a key stage 4 practical subject and the teacher clearly wasn't coping. To be hnest, I've had more to complain about with the private schools.

Oakmaiden · 22/03/2011 22:40

Whilst I do agree that different children have different needs, and that the right school for one child may not be the right school for another child, I do think that unless there is a very good reason for sending one state and one private, then it is likely to cause friction between the children in the future.

Have you looked into bursaries at your DS's school? Many independent primaries will offer up to 50% for a bursary - so if money is really an issue you could possibly see if you could get a bursary for both of them and you would then be paying about the same as one set of full fees?

Mangomargarita · 23/03/2011 07:59

We sent dd1 to private as we thought she would be an only. She had been at the nursery and she just went on to the school, at the time we didn't give it much thought. I don't want to take her out and send her to state now as she is settled and has lots of friends.
I'm quite surprised by all this "It's not fair to send one to private and the other to state", as if anyone dares suggests that private is superior to state they get jumped on. The vast majority of mumsnetters send their child to state school, so why should that be inferior?
Like I said I don't want this to be a debate on what's fair or not and which is better, just want to know what people who have been in the same circumstances to give me their experiences.
DD2 will be going to an outstanding ofsted school(dd1s private school is not great, but like I said she has lots of friends, so don't want to unsettle her by taking her out). For secondary we will send them to the same sort of school, so please can we stop all this judgemental rubbish about it being unfair!

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hels71 · 23/03/2011 08:56

I went to a private secondary all 4 of my siblings went to a state school. (The reason being I had a scholarship and they did not get one) At the end of the day all of us are doing fine in life...Thye have never made any form of complaint about being educated differently..i suppose I was the odd one!
At the end of the day it is your choice. I would say leave the eldest where they are. See how the youngest gets on and review the situation after a while....

OliPolly · 23/03/2011 10:31

No personal experience but have two friends who were/are in your position.

Friend 1 - Like you, DD started off at the nursery and just went on to the school. Her other DS is at state primary. They are both fine and noone judges her.

Friend 2 - After reception, she moved her DD back to Rrep School as she had noticed the difference in style of teaching. Her DD had been at the prep nursery and had covered almost everything she was being taught at State Reception - the teachers refused to acknowledge even though it was fairly obvious.

Bramshott · 23/03/2011 10:36

I think that whatever school your DCs go to the most important thing is to approach it with a positive attitude and an open mind.

This is the school your DD2 will be going to. No point comparing it to DD1's school in a postive, or in a negative way - especially not before she's started!

rabbitstew · 23/03/2011 11:40

I agree with Bramshott - approach it positively yourself, never give any indication you think one thing is better than the other, make your youngest dd excited about going to school. I come from a family where half were educated privately to age 11 or 14 and the other half entirely state educated. We haven't ended up with different outcomes in life, in terms of employment prospects or mental health, and there isn't a private/state divide in terms of who enjoyed school and learning and who didn't. There were good reasons why our educations went the way they did and we were never made to believe that any one of our siblings got a better deal than any of the others, and certainly never got the impression our parents wanted a better deal for one over the other. Basically, we had different experiences of education, not better and worse. The problems only arise where children perceive favouritism - then it is disastrous.

Mangomargarita · 24/03/2011 09:32

Ceci, Olipolly, bramshott, magdalene, rabbitstew, hels71 and cheapskatemum-thanks for your comments.

I will be positive with dd2 regarding her school choice, because I think it is a good choice and in no way inferior to her sisters, just different. As I mentioned before, we are not happy with dd1's private school, so would not have send dd2 there anyway. It was a choice between another private school and state.

I have spoke to alot of people who send their child to the state school dd2 is going to and everyone has been praises, so we are happy with our decision. If at any point we feel it is not working out we will review the situation.

However, I know there will be some differences, so I just wanted to hear from people who have done the same and what they felt they had to adjust to the most if anything.

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rebl · 24/03/2011 14:57

I have twins in different state schools 5 miles apart. Logistics can be a nightmare if you don't plan carefully and in advance but it is doable. They are 2 very different children and ds hated the school dd was in so we moved him. I wouldn't have thought twice to put him in a private school if there had been a suitable one around. IMO people can just mind their own business where and how I educate my children.

My dh went to a state school and his sister to a private school. No problems with them what so ever. It was what was right for them individually. DH loved his time at his school and did well. His sister went to that school but was failing there, so she was moved to a private school where she did very well. They both came out with a good education and both went on to university and both are now in proffesional positions.

If its right for your children and your family then do it.

PollyParanoia · 24/03/2011 15:08

I was sent to state school while my brothers went to (v expensive) public schools. I did better academically, but it still rankles tbh. If there had been some rational reason perhaps it wouldn't have, but in my case it was entirely to do with being a girl. It seems as though you have much better reasons, but I wouldn't let it carry on too long. Esp if dd1 seems to be a higher achiever than dd2 as then she might blame it on the fact that you spend x thousand pounds more on her education...

clitorisorclitoraint · 24/03/2011 15:12

Unfortunately it's going to smack of favouritism.

I attended state primary and secondary schools.

Yep. Still alive.

circular · 24/03/2011 18:07

Mangomargarita - I was in a very similar position to you.
DD1 was expected to be an only child, and was at a private nursery and automatically stayed on to the pre-prep school. As we could well afford it for one, we never even looked into the standard of our local state schools. She was in yr 1 when DD2 came along, so 6 school years between them. The pre-prep was a lovely school, but the juniors was not very academic, and DD1 outgrew it. She took a 7+ and went to a selective prep school, which gave automatic entry into the senior school.

The intention was for DD2 to follow suit. She went to the same nursery, but we were having some financial issues and it was looking unlikely that we would be able to continue with fees for both DD's. We began to look at the local state schools in time for DD2 to start reception and were pleasantly surprised. It also helped that the nursery teachers felt DD2 was the type of child who would do well wherever she went. There was no question of moving DD1 at this stage as she was in year 5.

So DD2 started reception at our second choice of local state school and is now in yr3, doing brilliantly. She is classed as highly gifted in literacy, and is given plenty of extension work and generally well stretched. Her Maths is also above average.

It became apparant that DD1 was becoming increasingly unhappy at her private school towards the end of yr5. Although she was convinced she was doing her best, and there was never any question of her not being up to standard for the school, the teachers were constantly pushing her to do better. They always felt she should be working nearer the top of the class, rather than the middle. We never did get to the bottom of this, apart from her being badly organised and easily distracted. But the constant pushing from the teachers was damaging her confidence, and after a while we resented paying for the privelege.

We were concerned about moving DD1 from a social point of view, as all her friends were continuing there for yr7. Also, we were well aware that she would be a year or 2 ahead if she went to a state comp. But we viewed the two local state comps. anyway, and both DD1 and us had a preference for one. She started there in yr7 and is now in yr9. On the whole, she is happier there. There have been issues in that where she was ahead she was allowed to get away with not doing very much work in yrs7 and 8, so consequently made little progress. She is still working well above average though, and has just chosen all academic options for GCSE.

Interestingly, whenever the subject of private / different primary schools comes up, it is DD1 that asks why she could not have gone to as nice a school that DD2 goes to. Where the teachers are friendlier and don't bully the kids!

I think there may be issues in the future if DD2 sits for grammar school in the neighbouring borough, as DD1 was not given the opportunity, but we have a couple of years to decide on that one yet.

Before all this happened, I very much favoured private education. Now I believe it depends on the child, and although DD1 got much out of it in the earlier years, ultimately the school she was at did not suit her. I think this is partly due to her being one of the youngest in the year. She is also quite painfully aware of the differences between her current and previous school, and realises she is possibly not receiving the education she could have had. She has recently asked if it would be possible to go back to her old school for A levels. Whilst we do not want to rule that out, it would mean losing the sibling link for DD2's addmission, which is no. 1 criteria.

To outsiders, it does appear that DD2 has got the raw deal. She never does any extra curricular activities, where DD1 did loads, and still does some. But we keep offering. Yet it is still DD1 who is highly jealous of DD2.

Fiddledee · 24/03/2011 19:44

I was sent private my brother wasn't - relationship still not recovered from my parents decision 30 years later. Unless there is a special reason why one child is favoured over another - scholarship, specialist music school etc. If its simply you can't afford two at private school, put both in state. Sorry you are mad to consider it, have you talked to DD1 school about bursary for DD2? Are you going pull DD1 out at senior school then?

DownyEmerald · 24/03/2011 22:02

One of my best friends was a middle child. Oldest and youngest both went to private schools. She didn't. I never asked why - didn't cross my mind at 14. She was very intelligent so can't think that was it. But she always felt the least favourite child. She's turned out the happiest though...

Ixia · 24/03/2011 22:24

DH's siblings were privately educated and he went to a state grammar. He bitterly resents his parents for this, doubly so as he was unhappy at school.

erebus · 25/03/2011 08:33

The over-riding feeling here seems to be that the DCs, as adults, feel the potential forces of favouritism! So us parents saying it's no one else's business if we choose to educate our DCs differently to each other', is not the issue; your DCs, as adults, may not see it that way!

FWIW, I think it's a different kettle of fish if a DC has been sent to the same private school as a sibling but it hasn't worked out thus they've gone state- then there can be no 'What if's..?'

The simple fact of the matter is that here, in the UK, any private is commonly perceived, however accurately or erroneously as being 'better' than any state (note remark above about how the private primary-schooled DC was of course going to be 1 year or 2 ahead of her state contemporaries once in state secondary...) and as such, without good reason (SEN, scholastic aptitude, 11+) I think you can be on sticky ground however upbeat you are if your DCs are in separate systems.