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Level 3 sats targets in year 2 - why haven't the school told us?Why do some schools hold back able kids?

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earlycomputers · 09/11/2010 11:32

My dd is in year 2 and at a recent parents evening her class teacher gave me a list of the year 2 attainment levels for maths. There was no mention of sats or anything. I then discovered she has sats in May and so looked at what she needs to know for these tests. I am truly shocked at how little she has been taught so far just to get through the level 2 tests. She is a bright girl and she could easily be taking the level 3 tests but she hasn't been taught anything for the level 3 standard and very little for level 2 - both in English and maths. For example she's never covered division in maths or the digital clock or fractions. She's barely covered any joined up writing or using punctuation. Is this a cop out for the schools so they dont have to work as hard (ie it's less work to teach level 1 and 2 than it is 3?) Dont they have a duty to try and extend able pupils? Needless to say I have been introducing her at home to the stuff she needs to know (taking her out of school to do so so she doesn't have to do stuff in the evenings).
They wont even allow her to read harder books even though we have proved she can read to a certain level with almost 100% accuracy and comprension. Why do some teachers do this? I am seriously thinking about moving her out of the state schooling system. sorry for the long rant!

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lovecheese · 09/11/2010 14:04

Has your DD been identified by school as one of the more able in her year, early? What kind of levels did she get at the end of yr1?

Imarriedafrog · 09/11/2010 14:06

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pigsinmud · 09/11/2010 14:06

As for the reading, it's quite common for children to be reading harder books at home than at school. Dd2 reads famous five at home, but simpler books at school. It doesn't matter. There is no hurry. I agree with pixie.

Do they study fractions in yr2?

< racks brain trying to think back to boys being in yr2 >

Smithagain · 09/11/2010 14:08

My daughter didn't do digital clock, fractions or division until sometime in the middle of Year 2. She got level 3s in everything with no additional tutoring from us whatsoever. I don't think she is unusual.

Don't worry and for goodness sake stop taking her out of school to do your own version of the curriculum. She is going to get so confused, and is also likely to get the idea that it's fine to opt out of something if you don't fancy it. Not a great life lesson. Either she's at school or she isn't. If you don't like the school, move her, but I think you are worrying about nothing.

Talkinpeace · 09/11/2010 14:09

You are teaching your child that they are different than other kids
BOY OH BOY are you storing up problems for later in life.
Chill a bit
and STOP BUNKING OFF SCHOOL
regardless of your reasons, you are teaching your child that your wishes are more important than the rules and regulations

Primary school is about socialising children and teaching them how to fit in and jolly along. You are contradicting that in every way.
Find another outlet for your neuroses but stop putting them on your child.

SkippyjonJones · 09/11/2010 14:12

What do you tell the school when you keep her at home ?

BeerTricksPotter · 09/11/2010 14:15

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MollieO · 09/11/2010 14:17

Sounds to me that you'd be better off home educating than sending her to a school where you aren't happy with her education.

Very glad that Ds is at a school that doesn't do SATs.

SkippyjonJones · 09/11/2010 14:18

I agree with BeerTricks ask about G and T. I wouldn't keep her at home though, it would not be good if they found out.

LilyBolero · 09/11/2010 14:19

My friend did this in Y5 and Y6, teaching her child 3 mornings a week at home, and it really paid off, the school was not fulfilling its educational role.

LilyBolero · 09/11/2010 14:19

(should add, the school was fine with that)

Feenie · 09/11/2010 14:20

The result reported at the end of year 2 is a teacher assessment. This is assessed using many, many different pieces of evidence to back up judgements, not just the tests. (The tests may be used any time between September and June, btw).

By keeping your dd off school, you are actually preventing the teacher from a) teaching your daughter the things you are cross about Confused b) assessing her - teacher assessment is continuous, and made much more difficult by poor attendance.

What do you tell the school - surely these are unauthorised absences?

clam · 09/11/2010 14:23

"Unwarranted stick?"
Well, none of us has actually written the word 'loon' yet.
This is an insane idea. If the OP is that dissatisfied with the school, then she should take her DD out altogether and home ed her. Not pick and choose random days when she likes. At one day a week, her attendance drops to 80%, which will ring warning bells with the EWO. And for what?

reallytired · 09/11/2010 14:24

I have to admit that I worried how little my son knew at the start of year 2, but he did really well in his SATs. Key stage 1 sats are done at the end of the year and six months in a six year old's life is a HUGE chunk of their education. If you think about it, the national curriculum starts at year 1 as reception is the foundation stage. She has a almost a year's of education infront of her.

I sent my son to Kip McGarth in year 2 as I had the pregnancy from hell. My son was an absolute horror about doing homework and frankly that sort of hassle is the last thing you need when you are in agony with SPD. I choose to outsource the problem rather than feeling tempted to commit child abuse.

It helped my anxieties about my son to have an independent teacher assess him. She told me that my son was academically fine.

Don't try to teach your child maths. You will confuse her horribly. The methods used nowadays are very different to what most adults were taught. She has to use the methods outlined in the national curriculum.

If you want your child to cover extra material then it is better to send her to Kip McGarth than bunk school.

BeerTricksPotter · 09/11/2010 14:27

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Feenie · 09/11/2010 14:40

"Key stage 1 sats are done at the end of the year"
NO, they aren't! The teacher assessment is being done right now, and will continue until the LEA reporting date (usually June).

You are right, of course, that the majority of children will progress hugely within that time frame.

elphabadefiesgravity · 09/11/2010 14:46

Ds is in Year 2 of an academic prep school.

I'm fairly sure he hasn't covered this sort of stuff. Tell a lie I think he is just beginning simple fractions eg what is half of 10.

SATS are completely pointless and useless anyway.

motherinferior · 09/11/2010 14:55

'They wont even allow her to read harder books even though we have proved she can read to a certain level with almost 100% accuracy and comprension'

Oh, please, please let the poor little thing learn to read and enjoy reading. Don't force her to read 'harder' books just because you think she should be. Just let her go to school. Why on earth are you worrying about SATS anyway?

Oblomov · 09/11/2010 15:11

We have parents evening next week for Yr2. They did tell us that they would be able to give a rough estimate of what sat level they are already at. But never to worry because most of the work is done and most of the 'finally clicks' for each child, happens later , at easter time too.
I couldn't give a hoot about sats.
Surprised Op is that bothered.

Oblomov · 09/11/2010 15:18

OP, are you wanting your dd to be G&T'd ?
My ds1 reads way above his school level at home. He is reading Star Wars Volume one at the moment. But teacher only knows this becasue we were talking about his 'diagnosis' yesterday as an "needs to be treated as an Aspergers child".

Have you talked to teacher about dd's reading ability ? I wouldn't bother myself, but if you want to, you could.

lovecheese · 09/11/2010 16:32

Mrz??

mrz · 09/11/2010 16:39

lovecheese ??

lovecheese · 09/11/2010 16:41

He he, what do you think about the OPs dilemma? You are always the voice of sense and reason Grin

NoahAndTheWhale · 09/11/2010 16:46
QueenGigantaurofMnet · 09/11/2010 16:50

itis laughable that you feel better placed to educate your child given some of your rantings here.

"though we have proved she can read to a certain level with almost 100% accuracy and comprension.

think you'll find that's comprehension

and

"why dont you just lurk silently or better still do sth else better with your time?"

is that meant to be english?

leave it to the professionals love.

and my comments aren't "unhelpful" they simply aren't what you want to hear.

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