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yr 1 having to wait to go to the loo

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luciemule · 08/09/2010 12:14

DS was chatting to me last night and seemed worried about the toilet system in his new yr 1 class.

He said they have a toilet chart where there's a side for girls and one for boys and if you're going to the loo (after asking), you have to put your label on the top, which means nobody can go if you're there (there are 7 toilets for boys and 7 for girls). I said surely this wasn't right and I would ask the teacher today.

So I asked her this morning what the set up was and she said that's correct and that they were allowed to go at all times after asking but not at carpet time (15mins long) every so often throughout the day.

I laughed and said that was ridiculous and how could they expect a 5 yr old child who was still in pull ups at night to sit and wait until either the person on the top of the chart had come back or not at all if on the carpet. There was a message on the whiteboard telling parents that they were teaching the children not to go to the loo at carpet time and to make sure they went before class (like a 5 yr old will remember to do that)

So I said that I didn't agree and that it was counter-productive to my toilet training; saying that we are always telling DS to go when he needs and not to sit there holding it. She said that was the rules. She said if she could they were desperate they could go but not at carpet time (she isn't a mum).

Don't really know what to do now - I know that DS is worried about it and when I said he should just say he really needs to go when he does and he replied "but it's the rule".

I agree that in yr 1, they need more rules and discipline but to be told to sit and wait for 10/15 mins whilst they have carpet time is bonk.
On the ERIC site it says that making a child go to the loo 'just to try' when they don't really need to can cause their bladder not to learn when it's really full and lead to not drinking enough in order not to need to go or incontinence.

Am so pee-ed off with school - they have the most bonk rules and if the parents don't agree with them -tough!

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Spingsummer · 08/09/2010 14:23

I remember my DS made a wee at the carpet time in the nursery. He was probably frightened to go to the loo. Sometimes it is possible to hold for a little bit but sometimes it is not possible. So, do you have to do it in your pants? That is cruel.

elphabaisgreen · 08/09/2010 14:37

Big differnce betwwen nursery (aged 3/4) and Year 1 (aged 5/6) springsummer.

But then again I think your other posting is rather funny and can't beleive you are for real, sorry!

luciemule · 08/09/2010 14:40

which other posting? Mine??

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elphabaisgreen · 08/09/2010 14:41

Springsummer has posted a ridiculous post about girls ovaries being damaged by sitting on the floor during carpet time!!

luciemule · 08/09/2010 14:52

haven't heard that one but the paeds consultant when DD had query Legg/calve Perthes syndrome said that sitting cross legged was the worse position a child could sit in for any length of time.

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Runoutofideas · 08/09/2010 14:58

I had this issue with my dd on Monday. Yr 1 too. She asked to go to the loo 5 minutes before home time and was told to wait as they were getting ready to go home. By the time we had walked home 25 mins later she was getting very distressed and nearly poohed her pants which she hasn't done since she was two. She didn't tell me that she hadn't been allowed to go until we were halfway home, or I would have taken her at school before leaving. I think that at 5 they are still too young to be told to wait.

choufleur · 08/09/2010 14:58

Unless there is something physically wrong with your DS he should be able to wait 10 mins. What do you do if you're in a car for example and he announces that he needs a wee? Which my DS (4) did the other day. he just had to wait the 10 - 15 mins til we got home, as I just couldn't pull over onto the hard shoulder so that he could go.

Maybe you should encourage your son to go to the toilet before carpet time so that he can be sure he doesn't need to go during it.

MrsGokWan · 08/09/2010 15:14

Well if my 3 year old can wait 15 minutes to go to the toilet as he had to do in the supermarket today then I am sure your 5 year old can wait. You are being totally ridiculous about this IMO. My 5 year old who started school this week has certainly had no problems at all.

Runoutofideas that is not the teachers fault that is your childs for not saying she needed the toilet to you when she came out of class. Our school will let the children pop to the toilet once they are in
the custody of their parents to supervise them before they start for home.

Runoutofideas · 08/09/2010 15:45

No it is not the teacher's fault that dd didn't say when she came out - however if she had let her go when she wanted to, then there wouldn't have been an issue.

BellasFormerFriend · 08/09/2010 15:51

appologies if this has already been said but don't they also say that a child should be encouraged to wait each time as it extends the bladder and encourages them to hold more and more (allowing the bladder to hold more at night time).

TBH I think the rules sound pretty normal although the chart seems a bit ott to me!

luciemule · 08/09/2010 17:14

bella - age 5 is very young to be waiting for 15 mins 'just because'. No, they shoudln't be encouraged to wait (see website link above).

mrsgokwan you are being very generalising and making it sound as if just because one child can hold a wee/poo for a certain time, so can another child Hmm???

mrschoufleur is that a medical fact that any 5 yr old should be able to hold a wee/poo for 10 mins or just speculation?

This ins't whether or not my specific child can hold it for that long; it's about the choice and freedom to be able to go to a toilet when they need to.

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crisproll2 · 08/09/2010 17:46

Luciemule didnt you have ishoos` with the school about sun cream too?

Am sensing a bit of a common theme here....!

cazzybabs · 08/09/2010 17:53

umm I am a year 1 teacher and a mum and I think it sounds perfectly fair.

(1) carpet time is teaching time thus children going to the loo disrupts that

(2) you are an adult - you can remind him to go before school

(3) you say "we are always telling DS to go when he needs" but what if you are not near a loo .

(4) the list thing is so you can keep an eye whose is in there

cazzybabs · 08/09/2010 17:55

Runoutofideas - i would have said the same as your teacher because otherwise the whole class would be late out

choufleur · 08/09/2010 18:27

No its not medical fact. I never said it was, just that I think that a child that age should be able to wait 10 minutes.

I can't believe there aren't occasions in your everyday life when he doesn't have to wait that long. Or do you just stop what you are doing and let him pee whenever you are the second he says he needs to go?

TeamEdward · 08/09/2010 18:30

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luciemule · 08/09/2010 18:40

Perhaps my everyday life is just boring Grin.

My dh works away all week and so weekends are spent at home and walks in the woods/play park etc so there are always loos. They know to go if they need; it's easier with a boy; they can wee wherever far more easily than a girl.

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luciemule · 08/09/2010 18:46

Does anyone just not see the point that whatever my ds's holding abilties are, that why on earth, in this, the 21stC, should a 5 yr child (and older) should be made to wait to go to the loo.

Did you know that legally, teaching staff and TA's have to be provided with clean toilets but there is actually no law saying the same for children?

crisproll - what's the suncream thing got to do with anything? If you're implying I'm over reacting to everything, dd, if you read the thread, had sunstroke and was very poorly. However, it's the lack of caring pastoral care at the school and the laissez- faire attitude to many niggly things that annoys me.
Why can one school allow their 5 yr olds to go to the loo at whatever time it is and yet another not and that seems to be perfectly fine?

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luciemule · 08/09/2010 18:49

mrsgokwan I don't mean about waiting only 15 mins after they've just been. I mean having to wait 15 mins after telling her they need to go. So your 3yr can hold on for 15 mins after telling you in the shop they need to go. had that have been me, I swould have asked the check out chick to watch my trolley whilst I took DS. Seems normal to do that to me.

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paisleyleaf · 08/09/2010 18:52

I know my DD could have held for 15 minutes at age 3
But I wonder lucie, like you said about boys just going anywhere easily, if girls learn to hold on earlier because of that.

luciemule · 08/09/2010 18:56

perhaps Paisley - could be.

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TeamEdward · 08/09/2010 18:58

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luciemule · 08/09/2010 19:01

You obviously haven't read the whole website I linked. It explains the laws there.

Why can't people be nice in their replies; without being offensive and bitchy.

I would have posted in AIBU if I had wanted a slagging off. Let's all be nice Smile

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crisproll2 · 08/09/2010 19:12

lucie - I am really sorry if you thought I was implying you were over reacting to everything. I should have been far clearer in my post and actually just stated it.

Your DS is not being denied access to the loo. He is being trained to wait. School is not home and so the same rules do not apply.

My DS was told at home to go immediately to the loo when he needed. It was never my expectation that he would do the same at school.

This is not a problem, this is not a human rights issue, it is simply good classroom management.

I would be thinking very hard about a change of school - for your sake and the schools!!