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Therian

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Jellybellyniki · 30/08/2023 21:09

Has anyone heard of this term?
it’s supposedly a reference to identifying as an animal or enjoy dressing and acting like one according to my almost 12 year old.
Well she is suddenly into this phase after watching videos on tik tok and I’m quite concerned about the obsession she now has over it.
for the past 3 months she spends the majority of her days making animal costumes to wear around the house while making the sounds of the animal. Each week will be a different animal. Admittedly at times I have snapped and told her to stop being silly. I guess I’m concerned she will be bullied for it as she begins secondary school next week.
her primary school queried if she may be autistic before this phase appeared, but I had no support from anyone and my gp wouldn’t refer as in their words it would take until adulthood to diagnosis! I do wonder if there is a connection.
ive Never heard of this before or where to even begin working out what to do. She keeps it secret at home, doesn’t do it in public and hides it from extended family by choice.
do I let her carry on and hope it fades out eventually? My husband thinks it could be the start of a mental health issue but I don’t want to assume this at a young age.
any advice would be appreciated.

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Leafstamp · 16/11/2024 16:48

Hi @Jms1278 sorry you're facing this. You might get more support if you start a new thread of your own. It sounds like might be in the US? This is mainly a UK site but obviously the advice will be similar.

From what you've said I would try to steer away focus from Therian stuff and focus on general well being things - exercise in the fresh air, family meal times, other hobbies etc. Good luck

StarsOnPawz · 02/12/2024 00:29

It is acctaully a religion of a lot of people that you can be spiritually connected to a animal and it should not be seen as anything more that a personality trait so let her be herself and don't think you can blame it on the likes of social media she can figure it out herself and it is rude to think it is just a trend

Sagestar · 08/12/2024 00:06

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Sagestar · 08/12/2024 00:07

It is important to recognize that she cannot control the way she feels or behaves. Given this reality, it is essential to allow her the freedom to express herself. Everyone deserves the space to communicate their emotions and thoughts honestly, and suppressing those expressions can lead to frustration and distress. By giving her the opportunity to express herself, we create a more understanding and supportive environment that acknowledges her individuality and emotions. Let her share her feelings without fear of judgment, as this is a crucial part of her emotional well-being.

Sagestar · 08/12/2024 00:11

Leafstamp · 16/11/2024 16:48

Hi @Jms1278 sorry you're facing this. You might get more support if you start a new thread of your own. It sounds like might be in the US? This is mainly a UK site but obviously the advice will be similar.

From what you've said I would try to steer away focus from Therian stuff and focus on general well being things - exercise in the fresh air, family meal times, other hobbies etc. Good luck

As a therian, I firmly believe that this approach is not advisable. Many therians engage in quadrobics, which involves running on all fours, as a way to connect more deeply with their theriotypes. This practice not only fosters a sense of identity and belonging but also serves as an excellent form of exercise. It's important to prioritize activities that resonate with our true selves while also ensuring they are safe and beneficial for our physical health. Embracing practices like quadrobics can enhance our understanding of our identities and promote overall well-being in the therian community.

PurpleChrayn · 08/12/2024 00:17

You sound mentally unwell.

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 10:24

Sagestar · 08/12/2024 00:07

It is important to recognize that she cannot control the way she feels or behaves. Given this reality, it is essential to allow her the freedom to express herself. Everyone deserves the space to communicate their emotions and thoughts honestly, and suppressing those expressions can lead to frustration and distress. By giving her the opportunity to express herself, we create a more understanding and supportive environment that acknowledges her individuality and emotions. Let her share her feelings without fear of judgment, as this is a crucial part of her emotional well-being.

She might not be able to control her feeling but every human over the age of 3 or so can control their behaviour to an extent. Certainly by the age of 9 or 10 a child can largely control their behaviour (unless they have a severe intellectual disability or simmilar.) Kids with ADHD can, and do, learn to modulate their behaviour.

The age of criminal responsibility is 10. And it should be.

People aren't expecting age appropriate behaviour from their kids so they aren't getting it. If your 10 year old is running around on all fours pretending to be a dog in a manner more befitting of a 3 year old then it's time to take a look at your parenting style, your values and the environment the child is in.

If your child was snorting cocaine and hanging out with drug dealers would you have a talk about why drugs are dangerous but also allow the behaviour to continue?

Believing a delusion that is close to psychosis, frequenting online spaces adjacent to fetish culture and opening themselves to God knows who online is dangerous to your child's mental and physical health.

By all means explain why but also don't alow it.

Seriously. Parents, grow up and do your job.

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 10:35

Wysteria123 · 06/06/2024 00:39

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YBUFPjRnJOI
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NKmzPztT83g
(Please watch the above) Hey there! I just happen to be an autistic therian, though my autism has nothing to do with it. Therianthropy is not a phase, it is who we are. It has nothing to do with mental health or TikTok, if you're a proper therian nothing will have 'sparked' it that came from the internet, unless you/your thereotype weirdly connects with the internet in some way :/
Take me, for example. I felt like an animal, and I was having impulses to act like one since around the age of four, before I even knew what technology was. In school my friend is a therian, and at lunchtimes we did quadrobics together. The worst insult was 'furry', and to be honest we just either told the commenter 'we're not furries' or simply ignored them. WE get to choose who we are. Not anyone else, not YOU. There's no I in you. It's like LGBTQ+, howcome they suddenly aren't such a big deal? They're being who they are and so are we. You got a problem with that, haters? Not that I have a problem with LGBTQ+, I'm a supporter of it. Therians might seem a recent thing, but they've always been here, maybe people in history were just too scared to admit it. If you think TikTok has done this to your child, you'd be mistaken. Also, let me remind you we do not choose to be a therian. You can't just watch a video and then say "That looks fun, I'm a therian now!" or "Ew I don't want to be a therian so I'm not a therian." If you're a therian you're a therian, if you're not you're not. We say we are family because we all feel connected, and it makes us happy. Seeing a video of other therians may just give your child confidence in their beliefs, and happy to know there are others like them. That's whathappened to me. I tried to hide it at school until I saw a video of quadrobics, and it made me so happy to know I wasn't alone in this, it gave me confidence to do them at school. Now I can jump a three-foot obstacle. If your child is a therian, th ebest thing to do is support them. Take it from me.

How old are you?

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 19:45

StarsOnPawz · 02/12/2024 00:29

It is acctaully a religion of a lot of people that you can be spiritually connected to a animal and it should not be seen as anything more that a personality trait so let her be herself and don't think you can blame it on the likes of social media she can figure it out herself and it is rude to think it is just a trend

What is the name of this religion and what culture is it from? Also how old are you?

WelcomeMarch · 10/12/2024 22:54

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 10:35

How old are you?

"In school" suggests not very old at all.

Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 00:38

should children be on Mumsnet?

WelcomeMarch · 11/12/2024 11:10

"I felt like an animal, and I was having impulses to act like one since around the age of four"

That's called 'play'. Playing is what children do.

It's interesting to watch a whole new weird belief system taking off, even in a small way. I should think the whole area of such beliefs is worth a PhD or two.

Stephanator · 17/12/2024 14:55

WhyIOughtTo · 01/05/2024 17:16

I said 'are you now, grand. Anyway, animals don't have phones or ipads so I'll have those'.

I reckon it's rebellion. My dd had already dramatically announced that she was bisexual about a month earlier and seemed baffled when we weren't arsed. Fuck knows why as I don't think we had ever given her the impression we were homophobic.

This comment is a bit old but mine did the same! She told me to come into her room and sit on her bed as she gave me a whole "coming out" speech, I simply replied "Are you? That's okay with me."

Stephanator · 17/12/2024 14:57

ThereAreNoTherians · 03/05/2024 16:41

Our daughter has recently identified as a therian.

I believe this is a craze that has been rapidly spreading globally since 2023 through social media and Internet forums and is being adopted by predominantly girls between 9-12, who are for whatever reason susceptible to the idea they identify as a therian.

In short, this is an idea that has spread like a virus on social media - there has not been a great enlightenment amongst young girls that they are in some way an animal in a human body. There is no such thing as a therian.

Take for example homosexuality or other sexual orientations or transgender identity. These orientations have been documented for hundreds of years - until recently classified as disorders or mental illness. But the key thing is that there is a historical record of people who are different to the norms in a society.

The concept of a person being a therian has not such historical record - there are no anti-therian laws around the world, no persecution of those who believed they are therian, no books written that discuss the author's belief that they were therian.

This would imply that a very, very small portion of individuals have been therian (if it existed in reality) historically, in which case even where the concept of being a therian is popularised on social media only a tiny minority of people would realise they are therian.

However, in my daughter's class of 28 kids there are two other girl therians, so 3 of the 15 girls in class are therian - 20%! Statistically that is all but impossible. For thousands of years, 20% of 10-year old girls were therian but were ignorant to the fact until in 2023 and 2024 they discovered it on the internet and were enlightened to their true self.

The explanation is that a rapidly growing number of young children have 'discovered' an idea on social media and are falsely believing they are therian.

According to one popular therian community, the 'origin story' for therian on the online community was with AHWW in 1993. AHWW stands for 'Alt.horror.werewolves' which gives you a sense of where this all began. From this subculture permutations of the idea that one identified with an animal were formed by different individual - most likely not 10 year old girls. You can easily google 'AHWW therian' to check this yourself.

Fast forward to late 2023 and the stars aligned (most likely through a Tik Tok algorithm) and Google searches of therian skyrocketed, exposing young girls who for some reason were vulnerable to this idea that originated from what one imagines was a relatively male dominated community at Alt.horror.werewolves. The below chart from Google Trends shows the rapid rise of searches for 'therian'.

Show your children this chart and talk them through how social media is so powerful that it can convince people of radical ideas, especially where they feel they are or will be persecuted by parents or bullied.

Explain how some people have 'always' identified as being gay or bi-sexual or transgender but over hundreds of years there has not been a group of people that have identified as therian.

Even if people were therian, they must have been a much smaller portion of the population than were gay or transgender, given there is no history of therians. Some people say 10% of the population is gay or lesbian, some say less than 5%. That would mean 'real' therian would be much less - less than 0.01% (ie, one in ten thousand) if they have never turned up in history books.

Then ask them how many therians they personally know - my daughter knows at least 4 other girls in her year level. Her year level has about 100 students, say 50 are girls. Including her, 10% of girls in her year level of therian (and 20% of the girls in her class).

That is not possible, if for hundreds of years less than 0.01% (really 0.0001% given there is not written therian history) of people were actually therian.

Then ask them how many 15+ girls or 20 year old girls or 40 year old mothers they know that are therian. Likely zero. The only people becoming therians are young girls (and a very small number of boys).

The explanation is social media is pushing a new idea that incorporates animals, arts and craft, distrust of parent, quadrobics (moving on all four limbs), and a special sense of community and in combination this has a very strong appeal to young girls.

Now, it has only been a month since my daughter shared she was therian and only recently that I have realised the above. I have not yet talked with her about the above - so don't know how it will be received.

(note that Google Trends shows how popular the search for 'therian' was at a particular time, in Mar-24 it is 100, meaning that was the time the most searches by volume for the word therian and since Aug-23 the search numbers went from 20% of the Mar-24 peak to 50% of the peak in Nov-23 to 93% in Feb-24. According to Ubersuggest the peak number of monthly searches for 'therian' was 165,000 in Dec-23, which is slightly different to Google but shows the same spike in searches, likely driven by Tik Tok and Youtube algorithms that were promoting therian content, leading to girls searching on Google)

Hope my post is helpful to other parents.

For more on therian's origins with AHWW: aminoapps.com/c/officialtherian/page/blog/how-ahww-went-from-a-place-of-fandom-to-a-place-of-weres-then-came-the-trolls/bNpW_5MESouml076m1e42rQ40j2Y0PBXqZn

Love this post.

Therianhelper · 13/01/2025 23:29

Hey! I’m a therian so this is coming from therian to therian parent, a therian is a someone who believes they are born in the wrong body(triggering body dysmorphia) or there soul is meant to be an animal, the animal there dressing up as is there theriotype and it’s not something you can chose! It’s very rare but there’s a small enough community were we can hold eachother up,I would keep supporting them and try to se if there’s anything you can do! As a therian I wish my parents were as supportive as you but not everyone can be lucky, thanks for reading this paragraph bye!

Therianhelper · 13/01/2025 23:31

This isn’t something therian can change they way you act if quadrobics is hurting you, if someone is running around on all fours leave them be, there doing what they want not what you are, I feel your the type of person to say ‘be your self!’ Then tell therian to go kts so as long as there nothing you leave it better

whats wrong with your generation…

Sagestar · 14/01/2025 06:41

WelcomeMarch · 10/12/2024 22:54

"In school" suggests not very old at all.

"in school" could mean college

Leafstamp · 14/01/2025 06:59

Therianhelper · 13/01/2025 23:29

Hey! I’m a therian so this is coming from therian to therian parent, a therian is a someone who believes they are born in the wrong body(triggering body dysmorphia) or there soul is meant to be an animal, the animal there dressing up as is there theriotype and it’s not something you can chose! It’s very rare but there’s a small enough community were we can hold eachother up,I would keep supporting them and try to se if there’s anything you can do! As a therian I wish my parents were as supportive as you but not everyone can be lucky, thanks for reading this paragraph bye!

  1. Body dysmorphia is a mental disorder.

  2. Believing you have an animal soul is a fringe religious belief. Don’t expect anyone to take you seriously, unless perhaps you admit the first point and then some may have sympathy for your illness.

Tbobomb · 14/01/2025 08:27

Can we all just agree that both situations can be true (if that's what you truly feel)

My daughter came out of this with very little input from me, i asked her to think carefully about what she had been consuming online and whether this would have occurred to her without seeing any content and she came to me and agreed that she had spent too much time online looking at the videos and forums. Once she was back at school after the holidays seeing friends again it completely disappeared. She also suggested herself that Tik tok was not good for her and deleted it.

There very well might be people who are more akin to animals, who am I to question that? But can we also agree that there are some very suggestable, easily led kids, particularly autistic girls with very rigid thinking that can be taken in by this 'ideology'. Simply telling us that our kids have found their 'true selves' isn't helpful, when we've come to a forum stating that this is genuinely out of the blue following a period of time online.

All I can offer from my experience is to talk to your kids, listen to them, offer other explanations and possibilities for them to question it themselves. Although i do have to say - explaining to my girl that the tail she wanted to buy from Amazon also came with a butt plug (obviously she had no clue what that was ) attachment because some people enjoy that in a sexy way really opened her eyes. 🫣

Stephanator · 15/01/2025 01:03

Therianhelper · 13/01/2025 23:31

This isn’t something therian can change they way you act if quadrobics is hurting you, if someone is running around on all fours leave them be, there doing what they want not what you are, I feel your the type of person to say ‘be your self!’ Then tell therian to go kts so as long as there nothing you leave it better

whats wrong with your generation…

Are you even old enough for this site?

ThrowawayTherian · 19/02/2025 02:37

Hi, Throwaway account from a therian. Let your child express themselves. If you are worried that they may be getting bullied, let them confide in you and do something about the bully. Trust me when i say that it hurts more to have your own parent be unsupportive than to get bullied. If it’s going to fade away, support it, and it might, or it might not. Either way, you should love them as they are. Not try to hide it for fear of them being “different”.

P.S. Here’s the definition of a therian!
a therian is someone who identifies as an animal, Usually psychologically, spiritually, or sometimes even physically as animals. The physical identification may be a sign of a schizo-affective disorder, or clinical lycanthropy. As long as they know that they are physically a human, they’re fine.

saltyann · 19/02/2025 09:41

hi
I am bumping this thread again. My daughter is 10. Possibly autistic / adhd. Very creative and imaginative. Loves Warrior Cats and Wings of Fire. I have no issues with creative and imaginative role playing, and it is very normal and fun at this age and would normally encourage it, but some of the adult run sites and content out there do really concern me, they seem manipulative and are not appropriate for a 10 yr old. But short of blocking all internet access it is very hard to police.... How do others handle this? It seems like this trend is gaining traction online.

Allinarow48 · 21/02/2025 20:54

saltyann · 19/02/2025 09:41

hi
I am bumping this thread again. My daughter is 10. Possibly autistic / adhd. Very creative and imaginative. Loves Warrior Cats and Wings of Fire. I have no issues with creative and imaginative role playing, and it is very normal and fun at this age and would normally encourage it, but some of the adult run sites and content out there do really concern me, they seem manipulative and are not appropriate for a 10 yr old. But short of blocking all internet access it is very hard to police.... How do others handle this? It seems like this trend is gaining traction online.

Edited

She's 10. OF COURSE BLOCK ALL INTERNET. 20 year olds don't belong online.

Allinarow48 · 21/02/2025 23:40

*10 year olds

Leafstamp · 22/02/2025 12:12

I agree with @Allinarow48 : get her offline, and not just because of the Therian stuff.

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