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Jellybellyniki · 30/08/2023 21:09

Has anyone heard of this term?
it’s supposedly a reference to identifying as an animal or enjoy dressing and acting like one according to my almost 12 year old.
Well she is suddenly into this phase after watching videos on tik tok and I’m quite concerned about the obsession she now has over it.
for the past 3 months she spends the majority of her days making animal costumes to wear around the house while making the sounds of the animal. Each week will be a different animal. Admittedly at times I have snapped and told her to stop being silly. I guess I’m concerned she will be bullied for it as she begins secondary school next week.
her primary school queried if she may be autistic before this phase appeared, but I had no support from anyone and my gp wouldn’t refer as in their words it would take until adulthood to diagnosis! I do wonder if there is a connection.
ive Never heard of this before or where to even begin working out what to do. She keeps it secret at home, doesn’t do it in public and hides it from extended family by choice.
do I let her carry on and hope it fades out eventually? My husband thinks it could be the start of a mental health issue but I don’t want to assume this at a young age.
any advice would be appreciated.

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WhyIOughtTo · 01/05/2024 17:16

I said 'are you now, grand. Anyway, animals don't have phones or ipads so I'll have those'.

I reckon it's rebellion. My dd had already dramatically announced that she was bisexual about a month earlier and seemed baffled when we weren't arsed. Fuck knows why as I don't think we had ever given her the impression we were homophobic.

FeatheryStroker · 01/05/2024 17:17

someone who integrally believes they are not completely human.

Don't you think that's offensive to say to your own mother that you don't think you are completely human?

ThereAreNoTherians · 03/05/2024 16:41

Our daughter has recently identified as a therian.

I believe this is a craze that has been rapidly spreading globally since 2023 through social media and Internet forums and is being adopted by predominantly girls between 9-12, who are for whatever reason susceptible to the idea they identify as a therian.

In short, this is an idea that has spread like a virus on social media - there has not been a great enlightenment amongst young girls that they are in some way an animal in a human body. There is no such thing as a therian.

Take for example homosexuality or other sexual orientations or transgender identity. These orientations have been documented for hundreds of years - until recently classified as disorders or mental illness. But the key thing is that there is a historical record of people who are different to the norms in a society.

The concept of a person being a therian has not such historical record - there are no anti-therian laws around the world, no persecution of those who believed they are therian, no books written that discuss the author's belief that they were therian.

This would imply that a very, very small portion of individuals have been therian (if it existed in reality) historically, in which case even where the concept of being a therian is popularised on social media only a tiny minority of people would realise they are therian.

However, in my daughter's class of 28 kids there are two other girl therians, so 3 of the 15 girls in class are therian - 20%! Statistically that is all but impossible. For thousands of years, 20% of 10-year old girls were therian but were ignorant to the fact until in 2023 and 2024 they discovered it on the internet and were enlightened to their true self.

The explanation is that a rapidly growing number of young children have 'discovered' an idea on social media and are falsely believing they are therian.

According to one popular therian community, the 'origin story' for therian on the online community was with AHWW in 1993. AHWW stands for 'Alt.horror.werewolves' which gives you a sense of where this all began. From this subculture permutations of the idea that one identified with an animal were formed by different individual - most likely not 10 year old girls. You can easily google 'AHWW therian' to check this yourself.

Fast forward to late 2023 and the stars aligned (most likely through a Tik Tok algorithm) and Google searches of therian skyrocketed, exposing young girls who for some reason were vulnerable to this idea that originated from what one imagines was a relatively male dominated community at Alt.horror.werewolves. The below chart from Google Trends shows the rapid rise of searches for 'therian'.

Show your children this chart and talk them through how social media is so powerful that it can convince people of radical ideas, especially where they feel they are or will be persecuted by parents or bullied.

Explain how some people have 'always' identified as being gay or bi-sexual or transgender but over hundreds of years there has not been a group of people that have identified as therian.

Even if people were therian, they must have been a much smaller portion of the population than were gay or transgender, given there is no history of therians. Some people say 10% of the population is gay or lesbian, some say less than 5%. That would mean 'real' therian would be much less - less than 0.01% (ie, one in ten thousand) if they have never turned up in history books.

Then ask them how many therians they personally know - my daughter knows at least 4 other girls in her year level. Her year level has about 100 students, say 50 are girls. Including her, 10% of girls in her year level of therian (and 20% of the girls in her class).

That is not possible, if for hundreds of years less than 0.01% (really 0.0001% given there is not written therian history) of people were actually therian.

Then ask them how many 15+ girls or 20 year old girls or 40 year old mothers they know that are therian. Likely zero. The only people becoming therians are young girls (and a very small number of boys).

The explanation is social media is pushing a new idea that incorporates animals, arts and craft, distrust of parent, quadrobics (moving on all four limbs), and a special sense of community and in combination this has a very strong appeal to young girls.

Now, it has only been a month since my daughter shared she was therian and only recently that I have realised the above. I have not yet talked with her about the above - so don't know how it will be received.

(note that Google Trends shows how popular the search for 'therian' was at a particular time, in Mar-24 it is 100, meaning that was the time the most searches by volume for the word therian and since Aug-23 the search numbers went from 20% of the Mar-24 peak to 50% of the peak in Nov-23 to 93% in Feb-24. According to Ubersuggest the peak number of monthly searches for 'therian' was 165,000 in Dec-23, which is slightly different to Google but shows the same spike in searches, likely driven by Tik Tok and Youtube algorithms that were promoting therian content, leading to girls searching on Google)

Hope my post is helpful to other parents.

For more on therian's origins with AHWW: aminoapps.com/c/officialtherian/page/blog/how-ahww-went-from-a-place-of-fandom-to-a-place-of-weres-then-came-the-trolls/bNpW_5MESouml076m1e42rQ40j2Y0PBXqZn

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UmberPoet · 15/05/2024 15:17

There's nothing wrong with your child being a therian if they think they are one. Therians have no sexual connections, but ferries SOMETIMES do. But its definitely not whay they're all about. I think it's just spiritual and creative expression and you have nothing to worry about. But If you're really concerned, you can check with a child psychologist. However there are no links between Therianthropy and mental health. 😀

Uberlord · 16/05/2024 11:20

Hi. Our daughter is into Therian culture and it has been a concern for a few years. I wouldn't say she 'identitifies' as any particular animal and I think it's wise for parents to not jump to immediate conclusions in this regard, she wears her homemade masks, tails and various accessories either at home, with her best friend on play dates and occasionally when we go to a park or woodland. She is not allowed to wear any of those things at school or anywhere we think will cause her or us a problem.

It started when she was about 9 or 10 (she is now 12), first it was a Furry thing, we instantly googled it and panicked. However over some time and further research we've come to understand more and to also realise it's not so bad as long as you are watchful of the parental settings online and make them aware that other people may find it very strange, also we tell her to not judge others in this regards their reactions to it as they are allowed to find it odd.

This is not to say we wished it wasn't a 'thing', but it is, it's been around for a very long time, and from what I can tell it's been rapidly on the rise since the pandemic. Considering the huge volume of negative content aimed at girls online it is actually a good thing that she has not been lured into the world of many girls her age who are obsessed with their appearance and are over sexualised at a young age. The Therian world is a supportive and overall positive community from our experience.

She has been very creative for as far back as I can remember and her crafting skills are incredible for someone of her age. To the extent that we may open an Etsy shop were she can sell masks, tails, badges etc for pretty good prices. This will teach her a lot about online commerce and give her some invaluable skills that they don't teach in school. She is also creating and editing her own video content (which we always check prior to posting on YouTube) which she is learning very fast. We do not allow her on Tik-Tok, Twitter, Snapchat or Instagram.

Fear of the future for our children and their mental health is a top priority. Not falling into the woke/not woke argument is also a priority. Our daughter is a strong, confident and funny individual who is obsessed with this new trend as I was with certain music when I was her age. No doubt it will soften over time, she may well be less into it and find other things to occupy herself with, but I also imagine she will always carry a bit of it with her as she grows up, we hope it will be the caring, empathetic and joyful parts of it as that is mainly what we have noticed is the by-products of allowing her to explore this period in her life. She has no signs of mental illness, she is happy and does well at school and has other 'non-Therian' friends. I'm not saying all this to stop other parents from worrying about it, because we all worry about our kids no matter what, I'm mainly posting this to see if any other parents can share a similar story to maybe add some balance to the conversation.

Neodymium · 18/05/2024 23:31

@Uberlord my daughter is the same, I think it’s about belonging and the community and she enjoys making the tails and masks. She has talked about selling them too as she has made masks for all her therian friends and has a real talent for it. I expect that it is a phase. She’s happy and has a nice group of friends who are all supportive. Plus she spends loads of time playing outside.

the only person bothered is my 15 year old who is being teased at school for his sister the ‘furry’ as her and her friends do quadrobics at school, and they all attend a combine junior and senior school.

Setyoufree · 19/05/2024 08:56

Uberlord · 16/05/2024 11:20

Hi. Our daughter is into Therian culture and it has been a concern for a few years. I wouldn't say she 'identitifies' as any particular animal and I think it's wise for parents to not jump to immediate conclusions in this regard, she wears her homemade masks, tails and various accessories either at home, with her best friend on play dates and occasionally when we go to a park or woodland. She is not allowed to wear any of those things at school or anywhere we think will cause her or us a problem.

It started when she was about 9 or 10 (she is now 12), first it was a Furry thing, we instantly googled it and panicked. However over some time and further research we've come to understand more and to also realise it's not so bad as long as you are watchful of the parental settings online and make them aware that other people may find it very strange, also we tell her to not judge others in this regards their reactions to it as they are allowed to find it odd.

This is not to say we wished it wasn't a 'thing', but it is, it's been around for a very long time, and from what I can tell it's been rapidly on the rise since the pandemic. Considering the huge volume of negative content aimed at girls online it is actually a good thing that she has not been lured into the world of many girls her age who are obsessed with their appearance and are over sexualised at a young age. The Therian world is a supportive and overall positive community from our experience.

She has been very creative for as far back as I can remember and her crafting skills are incredible for someone of her age. To the extent that we may open an Etsy shop were she can sell masks, tails, badges etc for pretty good prices. This will teach her a lot about online commerce and give her some invaluable skills that they don't teach in school. She is also creating and editing her own video content (which we always check prior to posting on YouTube) which she is learning very fast. We do not allow her on Tik-Tok, Twitter, Snapchat or Instagram.

Fear of the future for our children and their mental health is a top priority. Not falling into the woke/not woke argument is also a priority. Our daughter is a strong, confident and funny individual who is obsessed with this new trend as I was with certain music when I was her age. No doubt it will soften over time, she may well be less into it and find other things to occupy herself with, but I also imagine she will always carry a bit of it with her as she grows up, we hope it will be the caring, empathetic and joyful parts of it as that is mainly what we have noticed is the by-products of allowing her to explore this period in her life. She has no signs of mental illness, she is happy and does well at school and has other 'non-Therian' friends. I'm not saying all this to stop other parents from worrying about it, because we all worry about our kids no matter what, I'm mainly posting this to see if any other parents can share a similar story to maybe add some balance to the conversation.

My story is very similar, except my daughter started doing some more worrying behaviour like "coming out" as a therian and had been told her parents wouldn't understand and would reject her. Also she was talking to friends about her phantom limbs (tail).

She got some hassle off old school friends for her videos so it seems to have calmed down a bit since then.

I have no issue with the masks, tails etc. As you says they're incredibly creative and she really enjoys making them.

Uberlord · 19/05/2024 09:18

@Setyoufree
We've found that getting involved a bit, but not too much, really helps things. Learn the terminology, help her search for stuff online etc. My daughter is fortunately very confident, to the extent that comments from other kids make her amused rather than worried (that's my job!). We are concerned that she may begin to 'identify' as 'non-human' as this would change everything. But she's adamant that it's something she enjoys greatly but does not have any thoughts in that way. I find it upsetting when I hear adults (mainly on podcasts) talk at length about how crazy it is and how the parents should be ashamed etc. it reminds me a lot of the reactions older people had towards punks and goths when I was a kid, there was a lot of bullying back then too. I think overall it's a positive and creative outlet for a girl going through puberty and living in a fairly remote rural community. It does make us anxious at times but we just try and see the positive side as much as possible.

Uberlord · 19/05/2024 09:39

@Setyoufree
I forgot to add... if your child is possibly going to the next level and having other thoughts, it might be worth checking who the follow on YouTube. I've noticed some Therian creators tend to like to set rules around what it means to be Therian. This does sometimes lean towards the extreme, it's mainly the older teenage contingent. I've told my daughter to not adhere to any rules made by others online as this could lead to negative thoughts. It is after all a personal experience and about being individual, no one should be coerced into a cult like belief.

Windthebloodybobbinup · 27/05/2024 22:18

My daughter just spent 3 days at a festival running around the woods having met a group of girls with the same identity. I've never seen her happier as she is having found a tribe for her first steps into making her own identity. I think we need to take a step back and think about why this is such a big deal compared to any crazes boys get into. I think it is a very sexist attempt to control girls who are starting to become women. The therian thing is a way for them to bond, feel special, have some agency and power, create space for themselves etc. I find it bizarre that people are so obsessed with the idea they will become sexualised or groomed- I cannot find one single anecdotal case of that. Also- shock horror girls are sexual and have sexual feelings and need safe ways to explore that in an age appropriate way.

viques · 27/05/2024 22:23

Fynn18 · 04/12/2023 16:28

As a therian I want to explain the term a bit better and give you some help,
a therian is someone who identifies as an animal on a non physical level due to involuntary animalistic events, you cannot choose to be one, running around on all fours and dressing up has nothing to do with therianthropy,
it sounds like you’re child doesn’t fully understand the term and is just testing the waters with different identities, the best way to go about to this is make sure they understand the identity therianthropy fully and just be supportive, not being supportive or telling them their belief is wrong or silly can lead to some serious mental health issues (aka depression and suicidal thoughts)
i would know because of the amount of times I’ve been hated on by the people I love and care about.
i also want to add that therianthropy has nothing to do with the furry community, neither is it sexual in any way. I’ve seen other replies saying that the furry community is a fetish related sexual community but it’s not, it’s a community based on showing love for anthropomorphic animals (animals with human features like walking on two legs and speaking human) so it’s basically showing love for characters like Micky mouse! Some furries may even make their own animal characters like Micky mouse.

Edited

Aren’t human beings animals anyway? Can’t you just identify as a human being animal and be done with it?

Neodymium · 30/05/2024 12:08

Windthebloodybobbinup · 27/05/2024 22:18

My daughter just spent 3 days at a festival running around the woods having met a group of girls with the same identity. I've never seen her happier as she is having found a tribe for her first steps into making her own identity. I think we need to take a step back and think about why this is such a big deal compared to any crazes boys get into. I think it is a very sexist attempt to control girls who are starting to become women. The therian thing is a way for them to bond, feel special, have some agency and power, create space for themselves etc. I find it bizarre that people are so obsessed with the idea they will become sexualised or groomed- I cannot find one single anecdotal case of that. Also- shock horror girls are sexual and have sexual feelings and need safe ways to explore that in an age appropriate way.

My daughter is the same. She started a new school (was a therian before she went there and in the first week found another therian. She could tell by the way she was crouching down or something. Now there is a large group of them. They are all very supportive and happy and go across multiple grades. I think so long as she’s happy that’s all that matters. No different really to my boys playing Star Wars at lunch.

Wysteria123 · 06/06/2024 00:39

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YBUFPjRnJOI
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NKmzPztT83g
(Please watch the above) Hey there! I just happen to be an autistic therian, though my autism has nothing to do with it. Therianthropy is not a phase, it is who we are. It has nothing to do with mental health or TikTok, if you're a proper therian nothing will have 'sparked' it that came from the internet, unless you/your thereotype weirdly connects with the internet in some way :/
Take me, for example. I felt like an animal, and I was having impulses to act like one since around the age of four, before I even knew what technology was. In school my friend is a therian, and at lunchtimes we did quadrobics together. The worst insult was 'furry', and to be honest we just either told the commenter 'we're not furries' or simply ignored them. WE get to choose who we are. Not anyone else, not YOU. There's no I in you. It's like LGBTQ+, howcome they suddenly aren't such a big deal? They're being who they are and so are we. You got a problem with that, haters? Not that I have a problem with LGBTQ+, I'm a supporter of it. Therians might seem a recent thing, but they've always been here, maybe people in history were just too scared to admit it. If you think TikTok has done this to your child, you'd be mistaken. Also, let me remind you we do not choose to be a therian. You can't just watch a video and then say "That looks fun, I'm a therian now!" or "Ew I don't want to be a therian so I'm not a therian." If you're a therian you're a therian, if you're not you're not. We say we are family because we all feel connected, and it makes us happy. Seeing a video of other therians may just give your child confidence in their beliefs, and happy to know there are others like them. That's whathappened to me. I tried to hide it at school until I saw a video of quadrobics, and it made me so happy to know I wasn't alone in this, it gave me confidence to do them at school. Now I can jump a three-foot obstacle. If your child is a therian, th ebest thing to do is support them. Take it from me.

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YBUFPjRnJOI

Allinarow48 · 14/08/2024 12:35

Setyoufree · 15/01/2024 01:53

I am extremely unnerved by it all. I've had a dig through YouTube history, she's looking at all sorts of videos re. how your parents won't be supportive. Commenting everywhere about how her parents aren't supportive. She's got a YouTube channel that I thought she was just using to save videos of her making masks which I was fine with, given it's in the kids area and commenting is banned. She's been commenting on others instead and driving traffic to her channel.

I'm worried she's going to get herself isolated at school. No problem with the masks, big problem with the putting a label on herself and the potential to mark herself out as odd.

No idea how to handle it. If I just tell her it's absolutely ridiculous and people are going to think she's weird, I'm just doing what the people in her phone said would happen and just drive more secrecy. If I ignore it, is it actually going to go away though? She's a smart 12 year old. Wish she could become obsessed with something that's less cult like.

Sorry but she's 12. Whats she even doing with Internet access?

If any of you have a problem with what your kids do online at 12 thats entirely your own doing for allowing it.

"This is getting weird. No more phone for you. End of discussion."

Allinarow48 · 14/08/2024 12:51

If a Scientology youtube channel was telling your prepubecent child that they had alien ghosts inside them and that it was right to feel dissatisfied with their human body, and alienating them from sane reality and their family and would you:

A: Allow and encourage it

B: Get them off the Internet and away from the cult that's trying to convert them?

Setyoufree · 17/08/2024 06:07

Allinarow48 · 14/08/2024 12:35

Sorry but she's 12. Whats she even doing with Internet access?

If any of you have a problem with what your kids do online at 12 thats entirely your own doing for allowing it.

"This is getting weird. No more phone for you. End of discussion."

Great idea @Allinarow48. What age are your children? Presumably not between 11 and 17?

Angelshouse · 22/09/2024 08:05

THERIANS AND FURRIES AND MEDIA!
1. Taking away stuff will make your child not trust you and they will be sneaky and do stuff you don’t know. Try to talk to them.
2. The furry community can be family friendly. THERE ARE ALL AGES IN THE FANDOM.
3. Being a therian/other kin is not mentally unwell. It may be a phase. It may be not.
overall please do not bully/hit your children. Try to talk to them.
the litter boxes in school is fake.
support your children.

Angelshouse · 22/09/2024 08:07

Parents educate yourselves! Being a therian is not a mental illness but lycanthropy is!!

Angelshouse · 22/09/2024 08:07

Teach your kids to love instead of hate!

WelcomeMarch · 22/09/2024 08:15

Nope.

The world is complicated enough without needing to contemplate a child's inner bobcat.

marmadukedoggo · 29/09/2024 00:36

Angelshouse · 22/09/2024 08:07

Parents educate yourselves! Being a therian is not a mental illness but lycanthropy is!!

You keep telling yourself that.

Burratorchildhood · 08/10/2024 19:41

My DD went through a phase of this and it has been just that, a phase. Need to make sure that you maintain the trust of your child and keep an open dialogue. We don’t need to be giving our kids complexes by telling them they are weird. My DD is moving into her goth phase now.

Setyoufree · 12/10/2024 20:18

Burratorchildhood · 08/10/2024 19:41

My DD went through a phase of this and it has been just that, a phase. Need to make sure that you maintain the trust of your child and keep an open dialogue. We don’t need to be giving our kids complexes by telling them they are weird. My DD is moving into her goth phase now.

Phew this is brilliant to hear!

Burratorchildhood · 13/10/2024 11:58

Angelshouse · 22/09/2024 08:05

THERIANS AND FURRIES AND MEDIA!
1. Taking away stuff will make your child not trust you and they will be sneaky and do stuff you don’t know. Try to talk to them.
2. The furry community can be family friendly. THERE ARE ALL AGES IN THE FANDOM.
3. Being a therian/other kin is not mentally unwell. It may be a phase. It may be not.
overall please do not bully/hit your children. Try to talk to them.
the litter boxes in school is fake.
support your children.

Edited

I completely agree.

Jms1278 · 16/11/2024 16:22

I’m here for the same thing. My daughter has been diagnosed with ADHD and Anxiety in the past. She has 1-2 friends but has difficulty making friends in general. We had to start attending a Catholic school for her 7th grade year due to bullying sidetracking her academics. Recently she came across Therians on YouTube. We don’t do the TikTok. It’s causing a big divide as she’s saying I will never understand her. I’m supporting her mask-making and quadrobics at home but have explained wearing masks in public can make others uncomfortable and nervous, and we need to be respectful of that. However, she doesn’t want to tell others about it anyway, but then recognizes she’s “just going to be bullied” when people find out. A psychologist friend said Therian is all the rage in 5th through 8th grade right now, although I haven’t seen it. I just don’t know what to do…