8pm, DS reminded to wash, clean teeth and undress. We tell him he has to be in bed for 8.30pm, lights out for 9pm (or in bed for 8pm, lights out for 8.30pm, depending on how tired he is, if unwell, etc). Then, when he's had a last wee and is in bed both Dh and I go in and kiss him while he's in bed.
Add in lots of nagging. Then, there may be trips to the loo, or DS coming in to tell me he can't sleep, which prompts DH to tell him to go to bed and go to sleep, which prompts DS to tell DH he can't sleep and would if he could. By now, I'm on eggshells and tense, waiting for that inevitable 'you know you really have to go to sleep', as I prepare to hiss, 'if he could sleep he would.'
Dh reasons that he has a better chance of going to sleep if he is actually in bed with lights off, and if not asleep he is actually resting. He has a point. And DS has hypermobility and needs all the sleep he can get.
We like kissing him goodnight and he still enjoys being kissed goodnight. But left to his own devices he's be up til midnight and beyond. I must confess, bedtimes are getting a bit tense nowadays.