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What isn’t produced in Britain that we need to stockpile?

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ThroughThickAndThin01 · 05/06/2018 10:56

So, worst case scenario and we crash out with no deal as everyone seems keen to catastrophise, what would be useful to stock up on that isn’t produced here and would have to be imported. Any ideas?

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bellinisurge · 26/07/2018 10:42

Best thing is glass jars with food safe moisture absorbers inside (from Amazon ) or , at a pinch, aforementioned bin but try and use moisture absorbers.
Do you have any non damp part of the house to use instead?

Whatthefoxgoingon · 26/07/2018 13:18

Our cellar is damp so we don’t store anything in there, I don’t want to risk it with food. Everything just goes mouldy rather quickly so I’ve given up Sad

Luckily we have other areas to store but the cellar would have been useful as it’s big.

cloudtree · 26/07/2018 20:41

You could shrink wrap/vacuum pack it? The machines are not expensive and once they've been sealed not a lot is getting in there. If rodents are a problem I would then store in one of those cheap metal bins with lids.

1000piecepuzzle · 27/07/2018 20:25

Yes, I second buying prescription medications from online pharmacies, if available. I bulk buy hayfever tablets that way and it is straightforward. I will be buying 6 months stash before march, I can't function without them!

e.g. www.theindependentpharmacy.co.uk/hay-fever

Ninoo25 · 28/07/2018 15:48

@slapmyassandcallmejudy

Thanks for that I didn’t know you could get asthma inhalers online, without a prescription, from a reliable supplier. Quite shocked to see one of my inhalers cost £100 though! I go through 2 of them in a month. Bloody hell. Might just stick with buying Salbutamol and keep the steroid tablets in just in case

Charolais · 28/07/2018 16:57

Guns. Stockpile guns so you can hunt your own grub and fend of people who are after it. We have a ton of guns at our place. Side arms, AR15s, the lot.

Charolais · 28/07/2018 17:04

*should have added we are in the U.S. But guns are always handy in a crisis.

bellinisurge · 28/07/2018 17:32

Yeah, @Charolais - not really a British thing, guns. Talk of them tends to freak people out.
I'm a prepper with US family and I know how important 2nd Amendment stuff is to the conversation. There.

Undercoverbanana · 28/07/2018 17:34

Charolais - that’s nice, dear. 🤨

ItWillAllBeOkayInTheEnd · 28/07/2018 18:03

Focussing on the important things, ie tea! Is there any reason to stockpile a non perishable item that comes from outwith the EU? Do we think the customs delays will be bad enough to interrupt the supply of these types of items?

bellinisurge · 28/07/2018 18:14

@ItWillAllBeOkayInTheEnd - and how will the tea get to the shops? Where is it now? Why should the Just In Time pinch not affect tea?
It's nothing to do with where it is produced and all to do with how it gets to the shops if we have a Just In Time food distribution system.

ItWillAllBeOkayInTheEnd · 28/07/2018 19:31

Is it just in time? I'm not a prepper. How do you know how much of something the supermarkets tend to hold in their warehouses? Would you prioritise tea or uht milk? Or something else?

bellinisurge · 28/07/2018 19:34

@ItWillAllBeOkayInTheEnd - they don't hold stuff in their warehouses. It's cheaper not to. That's how supermarkets work. There is no magical storage area.

bellinisurge · 28/07/2018 19:36

@ItWillAllBeOkayInTheEnd - get in a buffer of what you actually eat. Maybe you prefer fresh to tinned but, unless you have the means to preserve fresh, buy tinned.
And yes, tea/coffee is important if it gives you a morale boost. Even for a sticky couple of days.

cafcesque · 28/07/2018 19:43

First world problem: how to stockpile frozen avocado Grin

Livinglavidal0ca · 28/07/2018 19:52

Is this actually going to happen? Or will it be like when there’s snow and no food for a few days? Why is our electricity at risk?

bellinisurge · 28/07/2018 19:56

@Livinglavidal0ca - as a prepper I think it unlikely our electricity supply is at risk. But I know that power station workers need to shop and get to work same as everyone else. So there's is an increased chance that they won't all always be there. Even for a short time. Again, I don't think that will happen but, because I am a prepper, I plan for the possibility - we have power outs now and again here anyway.
I am certainly not telling people it will happen and they should plan for it.
Food distribution problems? Very high likelihood of even short term problems.

GeorgeIII · 28/07/2018 19:56

This hilarious- but I’m going to buy some shares in supermarkets, their profits will go up with all this stichpiling!

bellinisurge · 28/07/2018 19:57

@GeorgeIII - good for you. I hope your share owning gets you to the front of the queue.

AdoraBell · 28/07/2018 20:08

I would use a plug in rodent deterrent in addition to using glass storage jars.

Frouby · 28/07/2018 20:12

I am not a prepper by any means.

But will be growing veg over winter on the allotment. We have half a dozen laying chickens so will have those as well. Dd recently gone veggie so as a family are having a meat free day each week anyway.

I can bake and have a bread machine so will stock up a bit on flour and yeast but it does have a shortish shelf life.

Energy wise our house is an eco house. If we struggle with gas supply a small fan heater will warm the whole house pretty quickly and it will stay warm. Washing would have to be done with a boileed kettle though but really can't see it coming to that.

Coffee will be kept stocked up though.

As a country we should be more or less self sufficient. The amount of food waste is disgusting in the UK. People look at me like I have 2 heads when I say I make chutney and pickles to preserve allotment produce. And we don't know how to eat seasonally.

Since we got the allotment last year I have learned so much about preserving food. And we are much less wasteful even down to composting veg peelings etc.

And when you have sown,grown,planted out and then spent time and effort getting something to harvest you give it a lot more value than supermarket veg.

Its not just the cost at the till it's the environmental impact of eating out of season stuff. And all the bloody plastic.

Have had a bag of new potatoes by the door in a hessian shopping bag. They have lasted 4 weeks so far and still good. Supermarket ones in a plastic bag, probably from miles away would have been binned by now.

TitsalinaBumSquash · 28/07/2018 20:19

I try to always keep UHT milk, baked beans, tuna, tinned sweet corn and flour, rice, dried noodles in stock anyway but I think I should get a stock of some stuff. I've no idea what's imported though!
Medication is my biggest concern because without it DS won't live long. Sad

bellinisurge · 28/07/2018 20:39

Does your ds have repeat prescriptions @TitsalinaBumSquash - can you get them a little earlier to build up a bit of a buffer of meds. Apologies if that is naive and wrong.i sincerely hope people who can sort trivial stuff like food for themselves do so, in order that they don't clog up emergency services with avoidable nonsense to make the way clear for people who might need them.

Havanananana · 28/07/2018 21:57

As a country we should be more or less self-sufficient

The UK imports 50% of all the food eaten and is reliant on food imports to feed the nation. This has been the case since the 19th century, so it’s nothing new. Remember that during WW2 rationing was introduced to conserve and share food – one egg per week, 2oz of cheese per week etc. – at a time when every available square foot of land was turned over to food production. It took until 1954 before food rationing was removed.

Food imports do not just include finished food items. For example, a pork sausage is made of pork and a number of ingredients such as thyme, coriander, pepper, plus preservatives, almost all of which are imported. The meat is processed, stored and transported using imported CO2, so a shortage of any of these ingredients and chemicals would result in a shortage of sausages.

Is there any reason to stockpile a non perishable item that comes from outwith the EU? Do we think the customs delays will be bad enough to interrupt the supply of these types of items?

Much of what comes from outside of the EU still arrives in the UK via the EU – e.g. it is shipped to Rotterdam or Hamburg first, then travels on by ship or lorry to the UK, so it gets stuck in the same queue as everything else.

Dover currently handles about 5,000 incoming lorries a day. It is a so-called ‘arrive and drive’ port – lorries drive straight off the ferry on to the road network with a minimum of checks. Spending just 2 minutes per lorry will result in long queues on both sides of the Channel. If every lorry has to be inspected and paperwork stamped, then the port’s capacity will shrink drastically – by as much as two thirds. Instead of 5,000 lorries getting through, only 2,000 lorries might get through each day. These will be carrying not only food and ingredients, but also car parts, components, medicines etc. If the government prioritises food, then the factories run out of parts. If they prioritise car parts etc., then the country runs out of food and medicine. Note, this is not a question of goods being delayed for a day or two; the goods simply cannot arrive at all if there is not the capacity to handle them through Customs.

How do you know how much of something the supermarkets tend to hold in their warehouses?

The supermarkets don’t have much in the way of warehouses. When the government says that they should be stockpiling goods, they completely fail to understand that there is not the warehouse capacity in the UK to stockpile food (and in particular chilled foods).

It is fairly easy to estimate how much of certain product groups the supermarkets hold. Fresh produce such as milk if delivered on a daily basis, so they hold no buffer stock. Fresh fruit and vegetables; less than a week’s worth of stock. Next weekend’s vegetables are being ordered today (Saturday), picked on Monday and Tuesday in Europe, transported on Wednesday and arrive in your local supermarket on Thursday and Friday.

Under normal circumstances, the supermarkets hold about 14-days worth of non-perishable goods. The whole business model is to have a high stock turnover, and any products that don’t sell are de-listed and no longer stocked.

BangingOn · 28/07/2018 22:21

The company I work for supply all major supermarkets and deliver to each 3-4 times per week, they don’t hold high stock at all (and neither do we).