Termination

[Same1977]

More and more babies survive being born before legal abortion limit...how comfortable are you with 24 week abortion limit?

I'm quite embarrassed that ar my age I had no clue what the limit is till approx 5 min ago :/

As someone whose mother has had a termination and who herself had a termination I have always considered myself to be strongly pro choice so I'm yet to decide where an article I just read about a baby born 23 weeks going home etc leaves me views wise.

Am I alone on this?Are you 100 percent one way other?

While it is inside her she should have absolute control.

There are TMFR for fetuses that could survive outside the womb happening. For things like cleft pallets etc I just believe that right should extend to all.

Well I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this !

I agree.

A newborn baby is as reliable on someone else for it's life, as it was before birth. Without being given warmth and did, it can't survive. Its not in reality any more independent, except that caring for it is a choice not an automatic bodily function.

The biggest difference is that you can't see it, which makes ita lot more palatable.

This has nothing to do with controlling women's body's - the pregnancy can be ended without harm.

Just a thought, so whilst inside she should have control - surely that should only extend to control over her own body.

What right does she have to take control over someone else's body, which would be necessary for a 38w abortion?

A baby can be cared for bh anyone.

A fetus is inside one woamnas body. By creating a child that can have a catastrophic effect on her mental and physical health.

An abortion is to cease all parenthood.

It's not a someone
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Nothing you've said explains what is actually different, bar location, for a 38w old baby pre and post birth.

Do you really, honestly, believe that in the moments of birth, there is a magical transformation from a non-entity, with no personhood, consciousness etc, to a full human being? What happens at first breath to cause that?

Do you really believe that the same action (injection to stop the heart) could morally either be perfectly fine or murder, if done 15m later?

Really?

I’m ok with it, as if a woman is that pregnant and still thinks she would rather go through a termination as bad as it would be for her, then I accept she’s doing it for a reason, and whatever that reason is, to her at that time it’s better to live though than a pregnancy. I trust that they have their reasons and it is better for the woman and the child not to be born into.

Yes. It is different. When it is inside she gets to decide.

Outside its an independent life form.

And yes really I have written this so simply that even you can understand it.

Shocking . I hope this would never be legal. She can give birth and they can take the baby away she never has to be a parent or even see the baby. But at 38 weeks it’s not her choice it’s to late .

Regardless of where that child is she will be it's mother. And for many that would he to much.

I don’t think a “state” should control women’s bodies. Once we go down route what’s next?

my child was born at 34 weeks. Perfectly normal weight 5’10. But he would not have survived without medical intervention. He needed oxygen, he was tubed and was jaundiced. His lungs had not finished forming. He was in intensive care for a week. I would be surprised if babies before this date would survive without intervention.

You have to draw the line somewhere though. I’m sure babies can survive at 34 weeks without help.

I agree with this.

Terminations after 20 weeks are rare and is the vast amount of cases done because of severe abnormalities or maternal health reasons.
I wouldn't feel comfortable about an abortion carried out for other reasons around this time but luckily it's not the case. The only case I knew of in real life was for medical reasons and they found it devastating but there truly was no point to continuing with the pregnancy.

Totally agree with everything you say here.

As early as possible as late as necessary

And then factor in delays due to medical issues, short staff etc

But there medical reasons . The op was asking for no medical reasons. Of course for health of the baby / mum it’s completely different .

Having a medical at 17 weeks was bad enough, I couldn't imagine getting to 24 weeks and deciding to terminate at that gestation. At 17 weeks he was fully formed and had his own features like hair and eyebrows. Traumatised me for life

I’m 100% pro choice. I’ve cared for women having terminations and I trust women to make the right decisions for themselves and their families. Denying women access to safe, legal terminations will not prevent terminations, it will simply kill more women.

As early as possible and as late as necessary.

@Fuzzyhippo
sorry you had to go through that. This is what I’m saying how can a women go through at very late abortion with no effect on her mental health ? Plus the doctors and nurses that would have to see a practically full term baby being born ? And if they kill it by an injection to the heart who’s going to want to do that ?
Im traumatised by having 2 very early abortions they don’t warn you about that at the clinic !
I replied to one of your other posts but I don’t think you saw it . How are you doing now and did you decide about this pregnancy? Feel free to message me if you want to talk xxx