Termination

[Same1977]

More and more babies survive being born before legal abortion limit...how comfortable are you with 24 week abortion limit?

I'm quite embarrassed that ar my age I had no clue what the limit is till approx 5 min ago :/

As someone whose mother has had a termination and who herself had a termination I have always considered myself to be strongly pro choice so I'm yet to decide where an article I just read about a baby born 23 weeks going home etc leaves me views wise.

Am I alone on this?Are you 100 percent one way other?

What would you truly think in that situation?

I'm not sure a debate like this (where OP has admittedly not even looked at the stats) has no place on this board.
There are potentially vulnerable women making one of the trickiest decisions for a woman, reading this thread.

*has a place...

Ok, so at 38 weeks, are you saying that a woman should have the right to:

1. end the pregnancy (which will mean the baby lives and can be adopted if necessary).

2. stop the fetus's heart and then end the pregnancy?

Because this isn't about forced birth at this stage - the woman has to give birth either way

If it's the latter, and it's ok to artificially stop the heart of a fetus that is of an age where they'd be able to survive without assistance, what is the moral distinction from injecting the same chemical to a baby born at 38w an hour after birth? Its the same human being, with the same chance at life.

Its such a difficult subject. But at 24 weeks can babies survive without a lot of medical intervention? I’m torn on this subject and was thinking about it just the other day. The thing is though, wether done at 6 weeks or 24 weeks the outcome is the same so really what difference does it make ? That baby won’t feel or know any different. It’s just so sad that the same time an abortion can take place doctors are battling to keep a baby alive . I feel for the mum, and the doctors and nurses who would have to carry out the abortion at that late stage . But ultimately it’s the women who takes priority. I think if the cut off should be when a baby can survive outside the womb on its own without loads of medical help. So if that’s 24 weeks then that should remain the limit .

Yep. Absolulty fine with a Termination at any point. Don't overthink it.

No 38 weeks is not ok. Absolutely not . And I’ve have more than one abortion.

So it's OK for you to have a choice?

My friend had a termination 2 days before the cut off. She found out at 22 weeks and got the first appointment she could get.

The baby was heathy but she was not ready for a baby and was not in a position to look after one due to her circumstances.

Her body, her baby and her choice.

Termination at any point up to 24 weeks for any reason is fine. Termination for medical reasons at any point is also fine.

Anyone else wondering where OP has gone?

My post was to get other peoples views not to try to change people's views.Not planning to spend here whole night debating.Just wanted to know how others felt.

Also I have a 9 month old baby ...cannot stay glued to mumsnet

@Shmithecat2
was that to me ? If so yes I had a choice because i was in the legal limit and a baby could not survive on its own at 24 weeks and under . At 38 weeks its not even classed as early so can easily survive outside the womb . At that stage the only
choice would be adoption or keep the baby . Sometimes in life we just have to make choices we don’t want to and it’s tough luck.

Women have found ways to do abortions since time began and will always do so.

Better to make it safte

Unfortunately I think I’m this subject will never be agreed on and debated until the end of time . Just look at America now . It’s a shame everyone can’t agree to one law and stick with it . Then women can decide what they want to do for there personal choice . If your against it that’s fine don’t have an abortion. If your not against it it’s not against the law to have one. Should be one law for the whole world I think and that’s the end of it . Been going on long enough.

Oh I know.My question was about the time limit not about choice.Not something you can discuss in real life as you never get honest opinions.

Putting a time limit on limits choice

So how long after birth would it be acceptable to 'abort'?

What is the difference honestly between injecting a 37w geststion heart, and a woman having a stillbirth delivery, and a woman having a delivery and then the 37w gestation heart is injected?

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Removing the fetus is unavoidable. But a woman who does not want a child should not be forced to have one

@thenightsky

I know 2 women in my wider circle who aborted at 24 weeks simply because they changed their minds. They uhmmed and ahhed and uhmmed and aahed some more. They were in stable relationships by the way and stable financially and one had an under child. Then decided to abort.

@AskingforaBaskin
she doesn't have to have a child ? At that stage she would have to get it adopted as she will be giving birth anyway?

If a woman wants to abort they don't want to adopt out.

One still creates a child. The other does not.

I'm not embarrassed in the slightest.

In centuries past, unwanted babies were 'exposrd' which actee as a form of post birth abortion.

I'm asking what the difference morally is between injecting the heart of an identically aged and developed human being at 37w, inside or outside of the mother's body. In both the same chemical would be used, and it would have the same effect. In both cases the woman has to go through birth.

If the idea is that no one should be forced to bea mother, at any stage, then a few women don't realise they are pregnant until they give birth (rare, but so is the 37w scenario). If they don't raise until the baby is out, do you think the doctor should morally be able to inject that baby's heart in the same way as if it were still inside it's mother? Is the cutoff the cord being cut? The whole baby out?

These are deeply uncomfortable surgical questions but if you are comfortable with a fun term baby being aborted at will, then where do the boundaries to that lie?

Deeply uncomfortable ethical questions, not surgical ones!

@AskingforaBaskin
it’s not up to her at that stage though as it’s a separate human that can survive outside the womb . Like I said earlier it’s just tough if she didn’t want it it’s to late . Thankfully I can’t see that being aloud anywhere and we can just keep the limit at 24 weeks .

One is inside a woman's body. So her choice.

The other is outside and it's on independent person.

Nothing deeply uncomfortable about it.