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Dealing with Termination

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marj1 · 12/04/2009 17:56

I've been reading threads for a couple of weeks, especially Busierbee and Linspins and have eventually plucked up the courage to post.

I had a termination on 23 March, I was 18 weeks and 5 days pregnant. I had my triple test on 11 February and it came back that my chance of having a downs child was 1:170, not fantastic but not awful either. However, I miscarried back in 2006 at 11 weeks and the doctors felt that child also had downs so Hubby and I had already discussed options before becoming pregnant and knew we would want an amnio to know for sure. I had the amnio on 2 March, which in itself was horrendous as it took 4 hours and 4 attempts. I spent the next 2 days working from home taking it easy and felt fine. The first week waiting for the results went by quickly the 2nd week dragged and every day I'd hope the post would come. If I got a letter the results were fine, if I got a phone call from hospital it was bad news. During this time I had an appointment to see my consultant and I was booked in for my c-section on 11 August.

On Monday 16 March I got the phone call I'd been dreading, the result was positive the baby I was carrying had downs. I was heartbroken, we hadn't told anyone about being pregnant, we wanted to wait until we knew everything was OK. We hadn't even told our 7 year old daughter who is desparate for a brother or sister. I felt like my life had ended but we'd already made the decision to terminate. You see I suffered very bad post-natal depression and only came off my anti-depressants in December when I found out I was pregnant. When I say bad I mean bad, at times I considered suicide and my counsellor wanted to section me. For me to have a healthy baby would mean struggling with my emotions so to have one who needed all my care and attention would not have been fair on me, my hubby or daughter.

I spent the next couple of days crying, wanting to know why me, all the usual emotions. Going to the hospital for the termination was the worst thing ever, I cryed all the way there and was beside myself when I got there. The midwifes were fantastic and let me calm down before they came to talk to me and we started the process. The next couple of hours are a bit of a morpheine blur and at 7.10pm our son, Joseph was born. He looked so perfect but I felt a strange sense of peace. It wasn't until I got home 2 days later it hit me. I've killed our baby, I can't get it out of my head. I feel distraught, I want my baby back in my tummy, I want me boobs to hurt again, I want it all to be OK. I feel I don't want to talk to anyone about it as I can't stop crying. Hubby is being a tower of strength and he keeps saying we made the decision which was right for our family and I know he's right but that feeling of having this little being inside you kicking and then it not being there is just too awful for words. I feel isolated, I feel alone, I feel why has it had to happen to me, have I been so bad. I only know one person who's ever had an amnio let alone have to make decisions like we've made in the last couple of weeks. I don't know how to deal with things, I don't know if I'll smile again. If I'd had a miscarriage I think I could have dealt with it easier because I have no control over that but I had control and chose to end my pregnancy. The pain is horrendous it feels like my heart has been ripped out. I'm 40 this year, so I feel my time is running out to have another child and of course your risk of having another downs child increases after you've had one (or possibly two in my case). I know Busierbee and Linspins have been through simialr things and I know exactly what they are going through and my heart goes out to them and anyone else in my situation.

I would have been 22 weeks pregnant on Wednesday this week and had my 20 week scan booked in. Every day is a struggle, I cry as soon as I wake up and cry myself to sleep for what I've lost. Beforehand I never imagined my feelings would have been this strong. We've still got Joseph's funeral to go through, which thankfully the hospital are organising. I don't think my life will ever be the same again ....

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justaboutback · 12/04/2009 18:01

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tessofthedurbervilles · 12/04/2009 18:01

I'm so sorry for you and your post brought tears. I don't know what to say to you but did not want to not post something.
I hope you have some support, please look after yourself and make sure you get some further counselling. Take care x

Northernlurker · 12/04/2009 18:30

This must be a very dark time for you - so sorry to read what you've been through.

One suggestion - whilst it's obviously helpful that the hospital are organising the funeral for Joseph - have you had the chance to suggest some elements that you want it to contain? We have these rituals for a purpose and they all play a role in our grief - in the time to come you may like to feel that you had an influence over the funeral?

busierbee · 12/04/2009 21:41

Marj - my dear girl you are not alone. You are not. You have made a decision that no human being should ever have to make and believe me I do know your suffering. My god. You are taking steps to help yourself by reaching out here to others and we are here and we listen and there are some amazingly generous and supportive compassionate souls here for you.
the decision was right for your family - I am sure you know that but the loss is enoromous and it must be felt. There seems to be no way of alleviating it gently.
From talking to others who have lost loved ones, children, friends, husbands- I think it takes a long time. It never goes away but your life changes shape to accomodate it I think.
I am here. Lins is here and many others. Please please post as often as you can. It helps me to reach out to others too.
Life is sometimes cruel and it makes no sense.
I am so sad for you.
Do not torture yourself in silence - this has been a good way for me to talk without the words out loud thing.
You are very much not alone. Let the tears flow. Is normal and understandable and the dark response is normal and the sun will shine - be held by him. It helps me to know that DP suffers too - then I can be there for him and it takes me away from myself.
Do not be scared. You are having a response that any woman - antidepresants or not - would have.
Well done for writing it down.
Reach out when ready
BB xxxxxxxx

Cazzaben · 12/04/2009 21:55

Everything happens for a reason... But you have done so well to express it in this way
I'm so so sorry that you have been through this... No one deserves it...

I will be praying for you and May God hold you in the palm of his hand...xxxxxxxxxx

charliegal · 12/04/2009 22:04

So sorry to hear what you are going through.
I am wishing strength and peace for you.

poppy34 · 12/04/2009 22:09

marj- you're not alone - I had a termination at 21 weeks as my little boy had multiple abnormalities. I since went on to have a beautiful little girl.
thread here (m/c and bereavement) were hugely helpful as was time /therapy.

and as others have said this is a fantastic palce to reach out -you do learn to live with it over time. Has anyone put you in touch with a grief counsellor - that was quite good for me in terms of dealing with the early days (as well as just taking each day as it came and trying to do any little thing that would make me feel a little bit more human).

[and high jack but hugs to busier bee too]

hester · 12/04/2009 22:14

Oh marj, what a sad, brave post. I am so very sorry you are going through this. ARe you getting support? Have you contacted one of the support groups, like SATFA?

I have friends who have gone through what you have endured; I know it's a huge grief. I do pray that life will be kind to you and help you in your healing.

ScummyMummy · 12/04/2009 22:23

Marj, I am so so sorry to read your very moving post. You sound like an amazingly brave person but I am so sad that you have had to make such an awful, heart-wrenching decision. I hope Joseph's funeral is as good as it possibly can be for you and your husband.

busierbee · 13/04/2009 11:10

Marj
Was thinking about your sadness and loss and sorrow and loneliness and fear in the night - as of course can relate to it so well.
Do reach out if feel strong enough - but only if it feels okay for you.
EVeryone has their own time for doing things - no right or wrong here ever ever.
So brave to write it down at all you know that.
So just wanted you to see your thread bumped up to top for a minute so you know we are there - as are so many people. Will keep writing but do not feel must respond.
It is a dark time - many many people have them and you will get through it with your man and your gorgeous girl.
Thinking of you truly
BB xx

Poppet45 · 13/04/2009 11:36

Oh Marj you poor, poor thing. I have tears in my eyes and if there was anything I could do to make it better I would.
My little one is due the same week as Joseph was, and in your place I have to say I would have made exactly the same decision. Exactly, even though I know it would have torn me in two as well.
You cannot second guess things now, you cannot agonise over what's happened. You have to be kind to yourself, cling to your hubby and let your grief turn slowly to healing.
My thoughts are truly with you.

linspins · 13/04/2009 11:40

Dear Marj1 , an enormous well done for posting, it must have taken so much energy out of you to write that. You are so not alone. As you've read, I've been through it all (twice) and I really, really feel for you. My Amy's anniversary is 21st March (2004) so she is near to your Joseph, and Daisy is 15th March (2009) - March is a crap month isn't it!
I don't know where to begin to write to you, I am a bit overwhelmed by all I wish I could tell you. I will have to write little bits over time...
The pain you are feeling sounds similar to the very darkest place I went after Amy, and I know it's grim.
You poor poor honey.
I'm sure you've heard of this, but ARC is an organisation that can help you. You might find it useful now, or in 6 months, or later on...people don't always feel strong enough to reach out immediately. But I'm glad you are on MN, as there are so many Mummies here who will cushion your fall when you feel you are falling down an never ending hole.
I have just been packing up my maternity clothes to go back in their box in the loft...and this morning saw a mum with a bump the size mine would have been. So I'm feeling miserable. Maybe this isn't the type of thing I should write to you - but maybe knowing someone else is going through it all beside you will help you feel less alone. Sorry if this is not the case!
I'm thinking of you. Hugs and will write again soon. Love Lins xxx

pelvicflawed · 13/04/2009 11:58

Maji just wanted you to know you are not alone - we decided to terminate last year at 13 weeks when we found our son had Downs. I can't say its been easy but after 8mths I'm finally starting to feel more myself and not totally consumed by it. At the time ARC were great and I still keep their details to hand just in case (we are trying again - I too am 40 this year - so we if we do get preganant that will I'm sure bring a whole host of emotions/questions). At the time I rejected councelling but a few months after the termination I crashed out and was signed off work for 5 weeks - during that time I contacted the councellor at the hospital (we were given their details as part of the termination after-care) and I have been seeing them each month since - dosen't change anything but hellps to have a safe place to voice the pain (DH and I go togther so it helps us talk it through).

Thinking of you and just wanted to let you know that you are not alone at this dark time.

Mamulik · 13/04/2009 12:18

I think you should have saved you baby - I know somebody with down and she is great child!

Nontoxic · 13/04/2009 12:22

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househousehouse · 13/04/2009 12:30

Pointless last two posts, whats done is done. You are entitled to opinions but you do not know this woman or her life. Support is what she needs.

Poppet45 · 13/04/2009 12:31

Great comments Mamulick and Nontoxic, really helpful, because she can go back and do that can't she?

ScummyMummy · 13/04/2009 12:34

Nontoxic and Mamulik- I appreciate that everyone has different opinions on what they would do in Marj's very sad situation, which, fortunately, most of us never have to face. It is a very emotive and difficult topic and everyone is entitled to their view, of course. However, I wonder whether it might be more helpful to voice your opinions on another, more general thread, or a thread where someone is considering a termination and seeking opinions, rather than risking possibly making marj feel even worse than she already does? I think your posts verge on the cruel and that is the last thing Marj needs right now, I imagine.

busierbee · 13/04/2009 12:34

Oh dear Nontoxic (what a toxic comment) and mamulik - did you read this poor woman's post? Did you read that she considered taking her own life through depression? I am so disappointed that anyone may think this would help.
She will probably not be back on the thread now and all she wanted was some support and kindness.
Shocking.Moral judgement - just what she needs right now

onadietcokebreak · 13/04/2009 12:39

The best of mumsnet are out and about I see. Non toxic and Mamulik what lovely people you are.

Marj I havent got any great advice except make sure you take any offer of counselling and keep talking with your husband. Thinkning of you

busierbee · 13/04/2009 12:40

Marj - do not take these comments to heart my dear. I am sure you read similar harsh comments on my thread - such a shame as you must be so raw right now. Pop onto Lins or mine if is easier for you. Poor poor girl.God am so shocked by these cruel and unpleasant comments. Too harsh. Too judgemental. You will not get many more.

noshouting · 13/04/2009 12:40

Mamulik the OP very bravely posted to ask for help in dealing with her pain please do not try to add to it.
Marj1 you are grieving and you are completely entitled to do so.
It is obviously such a difficult time for you at the moment and you mentioned that you had not told anyone in RL about your loss.
Is there anyone close to you that you could talk to and get support from?
I hope your pain passes with time xx

busierbee · 13/04/2009 12:41

Onadietcokebreak - well done for backing up Marj. Who are these people - am so upset for her and all of us who have made such heartwrenching decisions.
Is terrible.
I would run from MN if i were her

jellybeans · 13/04/2009 12:44

Hi, so sorry for your loss. Ignore the judgy posts, I used to think the same as them until my baby was diagnosed with severe problems which meant she couldn't live. I only had the amnio (we were 100% that we would never terminate) as they would treat in utero had her chromosomes been 'normal' but sadly they weren't, hers was very very rare. It was then that I learnt that you have no clue what you would do when somthing you never think will happen to you does. The grief was awful but it's years on for me and it gets easier. I have found that people against 'top' insist that we 'didn't want a less than perfect baby' etc etc but all the people I know who 'chose' to end the pg said they 'didn't want their baby to suffer' etc etc. And which one has been through it? The parents love the baby the most not a total stranger guessing what they may do when haVING the luxury of never being in those shoes!

tessofthedurbervilles · 13/04/2009 12:51

God why the hell do people post such judgy stuff when someone is clearly going through hell over an agonising decision that she has made.
I am sure she frequently turns herself inside out about what has happened and what has been done has been done.
Please ignore those opinions and focus on the vast majority of people on here reaching out to offer you comfort and support albeit through cyber space.

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