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Dealing with Termination

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marj1 · 12/04/2009 17:56

I've been reading threads for a couple of weeks, especially Busierbee and Linspins and have eventually plucked up the courage to post.

I had a termination on 23 March, I was 18 weeks and 5 days pregnant. I had my triple test on 11 February and it came back that my chance of having a downs child was 1:170, not fantastic but not awful either. However, I miscarried back in 2006 at 11 weeks and the doctors felt that child also had downs so Hubby and I had already discussed options before becoming pregnant and knew we would want an amnio to know for sure. I had the amnio on 2 March, which in itself was horrendous as it took 4 hours and 4 attempts. I spent the next 2 days working from home taking it easy and felt fine. The first week waiting for the results went by quickly the 2nd week dragged and every day I'd hope the post would come. If I got a letter the results were fine, if I got a phone call from hospital it was bad news. During this time I had an appointment to see my consultant and I was booked in for my c-section on 11 August.

On Monday 16 March I got the phone call I'd been dreading, the result was positive the baby I was carrying had downs. I was heartbroken, we hadn't told anyone about being pregnant, we wanted to wait until we knew everything was OK. We hadn't even told our 7 year old daughter who is desparate for a brother or sister. I felt like my life had ended but we'd already made the decision to terminate. You see I suffered very bad post-natal depression and only came off my anti-depressants in December when I found out I was pregnant. When I say bad I mean bad, at times I considered suicide and my counsellor wanted to section me. For me to have a healthy baby would mean struggling with my emotions so to have one who needed all my care and attention would not have been fair on me, my hubby or daughter.

I spent the next couple of days crying, wanting to know why me, all the usual emotions. Going to the hospital for the termination was the worst thing ever, I cryed all the way there and was beside myself when I got there. The midwifes were fantastic and let me calm down before they came to talk to me and we started the process. The next couple of hours are a bit of a morpheine blur and at 7.10pm our son, Joseph was born. He looked so perfect but I felt a strange sense of peace. It wasn't until I got home 2 days later it hit me. I've killed our baby, I can't get it out of my head. I feel distraught, I want my baby back in my tummy, I want me boobs to hurt again, I want it all to be OK. I feel I don't want to talk to anyone about it as I can't stop crying. Hubby is being a tower of strength and he keeps saying we made the decision which was right for our family and I know he's right but that feeling of having this little being inside you kicking and then it not being there is just too awful for words. I feel isolated, I feel alone, I feel why has it had to happen to me, have I been so bad. I only know one person who's ever had an amnio let alone have to make decisions like we've made in the last couple of weeks. I don't know how to deal with things, I don't know if I'll smile again. If I'd had a miscarriage I think I could have dealt with it easier because I have no control over that but I had control and chose to end my pregnancy. The pain is horrendous it feels like my heart has been ripped out. I'm 40 this year, so I feel my time is running out to have another child and of course your risk of having another downs child increases after you've had one (or possibly two in my case). I know Busierbee and Linspins have been through simialr things and I know exactly what they are going through and my heart goes out to them and anyone else in my situation.

I would have been 22 weeks pregnant on Wednesday this week and had my 20 week scan booked in. Every day is a struggle, I cry as soon as I wake up and cry myself to sleep for what I've lost. Beforehand I never imagined my feelings would have been this strong. We've still got Joseph's funeral to go through, which thankfully the hospital are organising. I don't think my life will ever be the same again ....

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marj1 · 14/04/2009 13:15

Wow, I am completely overwhelmed by the responses I have received. I don't know what I expected really when I posted, I am really thankful for all the kind ladies who have responded offering support and strength, even when they are hurting themselves.

I didn't log on yesterday, I spent the day in bed and slept. I tend to deal with a lot of things by sleeping, it means I don't have to think of anything and the pain goes away for a little bit. I don't really feel like I deserve the kind words ladies have posted. After all I did kill my little boy, I was the one who took the tablets and ended his life and I don't think I'll ever forgive myself for that. Yes I did it for all the right reasons and I still stand by those reasons but it doesn't take away the fact I chose to end his little precious life. I feel angry this has happened to me and I had to make such an awful decision. I keep seeing ladies who are pregnant and keep thinking that should be me. I also can't get out of my head that maybe they made a mistake with the amnio. The consultant assured me mistakes don't happen but I can't stop thinking, it's tearing me apart.

Busierbee and Linspins - my heart goes out to both of you as I've been reading your threads and know you both know exactly the pain I'm going through and you are both so brave to write and try and comfort me. We have having Joseph cremated and haven't got a date for this yet. As I mentioned previously the hospital are arranging it for us, and to be honest I'm thankful they are as I don't think I'm strong enough for organsing his funeral.

Busierbee - I was also horrified about the treatment you had in hospital that is too awful for words. I have to say I attended Royal Berkshire Hospital in Reading and they were fantastic. They have a "special room" on their delivery suite with a double bed in so DH can stay too and the treatement I received was very compasionate. The Hosital have a counselling group which I am in touch with and will attend a meeting in May.

Thank you everyone. Marj1xxx

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Poppet45 · 14/04/2009 14:53

Never EVER think that you are not worthy of compassion and sympathy from others. This is a personal judgement but I view your plight as deserving just as much of these emotions than those who suffer a miscarriage, if not more.
They have to grapple with the cruelty of random fate but know that there was nothing they could have done. You literally had to agonise over this decision. It must have been excrutiating.
Please do take good care of yourself and give yourself time to heal. You are NOT the villain in all this, you are one of the victims.
Big hugs.

pelvicflawed · 14/04/2009 16:59

Good to hear you Marj1 - I can identify with your emotions honestly - I remember feeling angry when i saw a preganant woman at work (in the its not bl**dy fair sort of way - why me). I too was convinced that the nuchal scan was wrong (I was given a 1:2 result) but all the other test confirmed what we already knew. By coincidence I got my newsletter from ARC today which always has others experiences - heart breaking though it is to read - I had tears flooding down my face as I read it - it is comforting to know that there are really quite a lot of us about and that they are those further on with their journey in dealing with it all. Probably I've rambled a bit here but just wanted to know that I am thinking of you and hope you get the support you need.

busierbee · 14/04/2009 18:21

Marj - am so pleased to see your name on all three threads - well done. Well done for coming out from the duvet -I too hide there when it is too much.
It is so brave to face the pain and share it. I am somewhat distressed today as my thread is not working - no idea why. Have told mumsnet and they say should be fine but is not and feel lost without it. So am posting here so can reply to your lovely message you left me. Popping in and out of one's own thread and other mumsnet friends is a way of recovering myself as can indulge my dark side on my own thread and try and support others on theirs and that helps.
You asked about my terminations and i do not mind at all you asking.
I had one on October 31st last year - was 13 weeks - and my way of coping was to concieve almost straight away - focusing on a new life helped to take away the sorrow. We got pregnant in January.
The pregnancy was of course - I want to say IS of course as I still feel so pregnant - fraught. But do you know what? I would rather have the worry and anxiety of not knowing with the little hope that maybe a baby was coming that this ...this emptiness rage and sadness.
So this end of pregnancy was April 1st. I am 8 months pregnant, and 15 weeks pregnant and not pregnant at all.. twice.
This time has hit so much harder. So much.
All you say about doubt and fear and envy of others, all of it, I know that.
I said out loud once to my partner that we had killed our baby. But I do not use the word anymore- he would say, we have endured enough without hurting ourselves more with those words. We made a decision as did you. It was the right one. It was the hard one. It will break us up for a while.
We will recover- you, me, Lins, Pelvicflawed, Sam, but we may need to help each other along the way.
Your voice sounds gentler already you know - and am so glad you have read all these messages to you. You are not alone.
Am so sorry to butt into your thread but cannot bear not to reply, need to for myself and want you to know how relieved I am you are back.
Well done.
Well done mummies.
Big big big cuddle to our Lins
BB x
ps you are right Marj there is a lot to say and we do not have to say it all at once. You can come back and forth with the thoughts.

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busierbee · 14/04/2009 20:04

Golly Justaboutspringtime - how do you know this -as does Tree who emailed me a minute ago to tell me too?
Well that would be a good thing would it not - would be more private and supportive for all of us and hopefully would stop people bustling nosily in.
My thread worked for a minute but now not and am distraught by it so apologies again to you Marj for nudging into yours.
Am trying to think of a way around it - start a new thread being the obvious one - but do not want my thread broken. Feel really cross and upset about it and now is making me cry.
How fragile i still am.
Maybe you can try posting on it and let me know what happens.
It does not happen when I go on anyone else's so it feels like a terrible punishment.
Think I need to go and talk to myself as maybe not good that i need it so much.
Am touched you were moved dearest Justabout and again Marj apologies for bustling.
Just bit lost - feel homeless in the virtual world.

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sammysam · 14/04/2009 20:42

I really don't know what to say but that I am so so sorry you were all put in that terrible position, you are all so so brave. I wish marj1, busierbee and linspins all the love and best wishes in the world, I really hope your pain eases soon x x x

linspins · 14/04/2009 20:48

Marj, so glad you came back and read all the love out there for you and your little Joseph, and your family.
I know exactly what you mean about torturing yourself thinking "I killed my baby". After I lost Amy in 2004, I felt like I had the word "murderer" written in red ink on my forehead. Every time I walked down a street felt surreal, like people could tell just from looking at me what had happened. I explain this to myself by saying that it's in every atom of a mummy's body to protect our babies, and so to make that 'choice' goes against everything we feel. But in our heads we know, as much as one can know, that it is the right thing to do. It is a real battle, and I still feel the guilt and the 'wrongness' of letting my angels go, even though I know it was the 'best' thing to do. There just aren't the words to explain the feelings. There is no black and white here, just so many hundreds of shades of grey. Blimey, I hope I haven't depressed yo even more, sometimes reading other peoples experiences is helpful so you don't feel alone, but sometimes not! I do understand the whole 'might not ever forgive myself," I really do. But you will find some peace, I promise.
About your Joseph's funeral - even though the hospital are arranging it, if there is a poem or piece of music you like, they will put it in for you. I hope this doesn't sound horribly big-sister-ish, but at some time in the future you might be glad you had a little imput, however hard it is now. I didn't for Amy and I always regret it. And it is helping me, knowing I have choosen things especially for you. (There are lots of poems on the ARc parents forum.)

Justabout/Bee - great news about having a place to put these threads where it won't upset those not wishing to read our choices and thoughts. I keep thinking I will have to finish my thread soon, and don't feel so 'at home' on the pregnancy forum in general, but maybe we could set up a new thread and be at home all together?
Lins xx

marj1 · 14/04/2009 21:42

Busier / Lins and all

Thanks again for your posts. I can't tell you how comforting it is to know the feelings I feel are being / have been felt by others. It makes me feel a little more human.

As you say, it would be good to get a separate thread set up to be able to help others in our situation. It's not really the type of thing you just talk about with anyone.

Much love and peaceful night's sleep. Thinking of you and your family so much tomorrow Lins.

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SAMR71 · 14/04/2009 23:30

Marj1 - you may have seen me on Lins/Busier's threads - had a termination last year - like you I was 18 weeks. At the suggestion of a geneticist I waited for 4 weeks to have the termination (we knew the problems were severe at 14 weeks, geneticist thought we might get a diagnosis at 18 wks - which we did, and it confirmed it was genetic)... I found out later that the doctors were against us waiting, but you know for me it gave me the time to properly come to terms with what we were doing. For you, and most others you don't get this time, and it will happen after the event.... I scoured the internet and found myself eavesdropping on a site in Australia strangely - reading these other womens stories helped me, when I couldn't bring myself to really discuss with anyone what was going on... I think what I am saying is that the "I killed my child" thing will stop - for me it turned into "I set my child free", and those are the words I hang on to and repeat to myself, and I totally believe them. It was the hardest thing I have ever done - but I also think the bravest - it can be hard to feel brave in the aftermath, particularly with something which brings such judgement - I used to find myself wanting to tell people in order to try to lessen the taboo, but I found that unless someone has been there, they just don't get it.... so have learnt to bite my tongue. I too wished I had miscarried - it would have been so much easier... I am now having a second miscarriage, and again, I am so relieved not to have to make that decision, not to have to take those pills again.
So please remember how brave you've been, and how your Joseph is now free... And look after yourself, and keep talking if you need to - and never be afraid to ask for help if you need it....
Take care all. xx

pelvicflawed · 15/04/2009 19:56

Just wanted to say hi again - and say I think that the suggestion of a seperate topic sounds a really good one - somewhere we can go to be supported and supportive to others. So many times I've wanted to post on breavement/miscarrige topics but its never felt right and I have felt frightened that I may upset others. My love nad thoughts with you all tonight.

busierbee · 15/04/2009 20:23

Hello Pelvic and not flawed
Have you read the thread that Just about refers to?
I hope you are okay and am glad you are still in touch with us all. I hope our Lins is okay.
not sure if am ready to start a new thread - am so tired of it all.
Am wondering if we need somewhere more private?
Night to you
BB xx

linspins · 15/04/2009 23:18

Marj, just checking in to say hello. Hope you got through another day. sleep well.
xxx

cba · 15/04/2009 23:35

marj, you did not kill your little boy. You saved him from a life of uncertainty. Please, Please dont say that.

I can honestly say hand on hand if I was in your position I would do the same.

Please be kind to yourself and take care x

marj1 · 16/04/2009 00:06

Thank you cba and samr71 for your kind posts. To be honest I haven't really thought about my "problems" today I've been thinking so much of our friend Linspins - it was so good to see your post earlier on. You have been so much in my thoughts today. I hope you found the strength to get through the day and say the goodbye to Daisy you wanted too.

I think this site and the friends I've made on it are helping as I know I'm not alone and there are people out there who know what I've gone through, going through.

Much love and hugs. Marj1xxx

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sarah293 · 16/04/2009 17:42

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busierbee · 16/04/2009 18:30

Hello Marj
Just to let you know the new ante natal choices section is up and running and maybe those of us who have chosen to have a termination could rehouse there?
What do you think?
Of course people will still read it and still have the right to comment on your decision but at least will be clear that you are considering or have had a termination?
Also have you contacted ARC?
Wishing you well and hoping to chat soon
BB

marj1 · 16/04/2009 18:34

Busier - it's so good to hear from you. I've posted on the new part of the site already. Been in touch with ARC and posted there today too.

How are you?

Marj1xx

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busierbee · 16/04/2009 19:10

Hello Marj
Well what a coincidence I posted my first introduction on arc today too - very traumatic process. I have also posted on the new thread and can feel a relocation coming on. Shall we talk there later - could maybe even move our existing threads there?
I look forward to talking on arc to you.
Glad you still here and sounding stronger. Well done to you
xxx

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