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Binge drank before i knew i was pregnant (i thought i was late) - should i abort?

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rainbowserpent · 30/11/2008 23:15

(by the way i'm not religious, i'm a rationalist) Binge drank in early pregnancy - i think i should have a termination?
Panic. I binge drank when i didn't know i was 26 days pregant, i should have guessed as i kept having funny dreams about being pregnant... i was about 4 and a half weeks i guess, the most vital stage for brain and facial feature development. i maybe had 4 shots of bacardi (it could have been 5 as i don't know how big the measure my boyfriend poured me was) in about an hour! On a full stomach but i felt quite eurphoric and definitly intoxicated and detached for quite a few hours. I got a hang over and felt nauseous and dizzy well into the early hours. I'm so awfully sorry that this has happened. My boyfriend wants me to have a termination and i think i have to agree, we are both phd students and i'm afraid i couldn't bare to have a retarded child - he has no alcohol tolerance although i can drink like a fish so it is genetically possibly vulnerable. (it was unplanned by the way) after we read this:
"If a woman binge drinks during such a critical stage, significant harm may be inflicted on the developing fetal brain. The resulting deficits can range from gross structural abnormalities, such as small brain size and significantly altered brain circuitry. Children exposed to even a single binge drinking episode (blood alcohol levels over 0.07 or 80mg) show behavioural difficulties such as in adhd (poor attention and impulse control), have on average 7 points lower iq than controls (sometimes up to 24 points) and perform far less well on verbal and numeric reasoning tests at age 7 and 14. Before age of 7 and 14 their learning disabilites are not evident, but their peers soon surpass them.
I guess i just want to know i'm doing the right thing in having a termination, i want to know peoples stories.

I felt pretty drunk, and i felt nausea afterward (my symptoms lasted from 8.30 until 2.30 in the morning), my blood alcohol level must have been at least 0.09, enough to cause the death of a third of the fetal brain cells - which cannot regenerate. Thus i do think i'm fairly screwed. My mother drank like a fish with me but a single binge episode is universally believed to MUCH more harmful than moderate or light drinking (2 a day) over a few hours, or over a week. 4/5 drinks in an hour? That's got to be majorly damaging. My timing was just, awful. And the worst thing is, i never drink usually.

There is an oxford study that says that the effects of occasional binge drinking isn't in evidence, but they say 'may' and they say IS a trend towards neurodevelopment disorders, and there was no study conducted of when the binge occured - in early or later pregnancy. Another study also shows lower scores on IQ tests in general. Its not that i'm an intellect snob, i just can't believe i've done this! My whole life is one long line of self-inflicted nightmares...sigh.

A single binge drinking at the wrong time could = perfect baby being now not so perfect.

OP posts:
IdrisTheDragon · 30/11/2008 23:31

Have looked at your other threads and I'm puzzled about when you knew you were pregnant too. You said here you took a test on Friday, but posted earlier on in the week about being pregnant.

festivedollyx · 30/11/2008 23:34

Exactly idris,hangingabublem! i begining to wonder also, i hate to knock anyone who is crying out for help. But the sheer fact that its been so many conflicting posts screems TROLL.

llareggub · 30/11/2008 23:34

What do you want?

Do you want us to tell you what to do? Because we can't, you know.

I felt physically sick at the mere whiff of alcohol when pregnant, so can't give you the story you asked for. I'm sure plenty of women have had a drink and later found themselves to be pregnant.

Forget about the drinking, and your perceptions of what sort of baby you might have, and think about what you want.

festivedollyx · 30/11/2008 23:36

llareggub she has been offered some great advice on her many other threads some similar to what you are saying.

TinkerBellesMum · 30/11/2008 23:37

I haven't read the other replies but I wouldn't worry about it! At that stage the baby wasn't even attached to you - whatever you believe about where we come from something knew we wouldn't know straight away about being pregnant so protected the baby by not connecting them to us straight away.

FAS doesn't come from one single drinking session at 5 weeks or from the odd drink in pregnancy. Speak to your MW if you are worried but I'm sure you will be told not to worry.

Congratulations BTW!

Aitch · 30/11/2008 23:37

if it's a troll, though, it does sound as if it's someone with a thing about abortion. still a bit sad imo.

crypto, absolutely. can't be true, i'm sure of it. surely they can't slump, they're not really subject to the same forces underwater.

themildmanneredjanitor · 30/11/2008 23:38

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cali · 30/11/2008 23:39

" he has no alcohol tolerance although i can drink like a fish"

" And the worst thing is, i never drink usually."

Have read the op's initial post and thought, well the majority of babies have probably been exposed to things they shouldn't have been before women realised that they were pregnant, re read it as somethings didn't add up.

rainbowserpent, did you forget that you drank like a fish when you wrote that you never drink usually?

swingsofglory · 30/11/2008 23:41

I really think you need to calm down about the drinking. Foetal Alcohol Syndrome is a result of repeated instances of heavy drinking throughout pregnancy - not a single episode. Millions of women drink when they are pregnant before they realise it. I'm not a doctor but I seriously doubt you've damaged the foetus.

If you don't wish to go ahead with the pregnancy that's another matter. Nobody can make your mind up for you.

Cadelaide · 30/11/2008 23:46

I'm loving Aitch tonight, all brainy and rational and....I dunno.....normal.

Cadelaide · 30/11/2008 23:47

I don't mean she's not normally

TinkerBellesMum · 30/11/2008 23:47

Just read the other OP's. I'm in agreement wtih the other ladies, this doesn't add up! Either you are genunine and want someone to talk you into/out of an abortion or you are trolling.

rainbowserpent · 30/11/2008 23:47

i CAN drink like a fish lol. Chritmas, brithdays, but if you were to add up the number of occasions i did drink it would be probably, once every three months or less frequently, in more of a social/binge pattern? I'm just saying when i do drink i have a much higher alcohol tolerance than my boyfriend who can't handle one without being ill.

OP posts:
electra · 30/11/2008 23:48

Rainbow - I did the same as you - I'm now 20 weeks. I would not have decided to have a termination for this (although struggled about what to do for different reasons) - seems a bit drastic.

festivedollyx · 30/11/2008 23:49

Only a few days ago it was a rant about being a single mom and a rant about a horrible bf that made you terminate before. You know exactly what you are doing and there are people who need real advice and help stop messing around and out with the truth.
Are you
A) a Troll,
B) in real need of emotional help,
C) Looking for an excuse to have an abortion?

rainbowserpent · 30/11/2008 23:49

not trolly, feeling guilty. Still pregnant, still contemplating abortion, now boyfriend knows, he is demanding i have the abortion, and if levelling the drinking at me (that i was already beating myself up over) as reason to abort.

OP posts:
llareggub · 30/11/2008 23:51

I think you should keep the baby and get rid of the boyfriend. He sounds like a tosser.

cali · 30/11/2008 23:51

rainbowserpent, can I ask you something?

so you had a positive pregnancy test on Friday, 4 days after the supposed binge drinking episode, how come you started a thread 5 days ago saying you were pregnant?

I would also like to echo Hangingbaubles post of 23:29, there are better words to use.

I apologise if you are genuine but something tells me you're not.

Aitch · 30/11/2008 23:53

why thank you, i think, cadders.

rainbow, do you have an explanation at all for these inconsistencies? cos it's not fair to piss people off and hurt their feelings if you're trolling, it's pretty low behaviour. but if you're for real, there will be a good explanation no doubt.

festivedollyx · 30/11/2008 23:53

Rainbow it sound as though you have made your decision,perhaps it is time to contact the appropriate help and move forward. Sorry to be harsh but the sooner you decide the better all round.

Ps still stands from other thread please dont do things to please your bf do it for yourself x

TinkerBellesMum · 30/11/2008 23:56

"I think you should keep the baby and get rid of the boyfriend. He sounds like a tosser"

If you are genunine this is the best peice of advice you've had!

mrsboogie · 30/11/2008 23:59

This is a troll. I would stop entertaining her if I were you guys. Either that or she has serious problems which are way beyond the kind of help or advice anyone can offer on here.

trixiethepixie · 01/12/2008 00:09

Rainbow - from what I can gather from previous posts you had an abortion before to please your bf and regretted it so why are you thinking of doing it again? You've posted 3 times about the same thing in the past week. Are you looking for us to validate your reasons for doing it?

Believe me I know where you're coming from as my dp coerced me into having an abortion when we first got together when I didn't want to. I regretted it soooo much. So when I got pg again, there is no way on earth I would ever think of doing that again.

I was a complete partier bc and I was about 4/5 wks pg (and didn't know) when my birthday party happened. I drank all night and continued to the next day and took whatever else was going. I found out the following wk I was pg. Ds is now one and perfect. My friend didn't find out until she was 5 months gone. She'd been drinking away. Again her lo is now 5 and not a thing wrong with her.

I really hope it isn't a wind up but just do what pleases you. Only you know in your heart of hearts what you want to do.

mrsboogie · 01/12/2008 00:43

oh and if 4 shots of Bacardi is binge drinking then probably half the population is born after their mothers have "binged" in very early pregnancy.

KittyFloss · 01/12/2008 01:46

Don't be so frigging ridiculous fgs, you have a few drinks at less than 5 weeks gestation and you are ready to abort? Get A Fecking Grip.

Afaik the foetus doesn't even have a fully established blood flow at that point, and even if it did it's no reason to abort. If you don't want the baby then fair enough but don't use this as an excuse.

I concieved mid december and didn't find out until early january, was probably 5-6 weeks when I did the test. I had been properly pissed
over xmas and ny, not just a few bacardi's. DD is fine and dandy and advanced for her age.

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