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UrbanSquirrel · 22/11/2024 18:52

Just creating this so that we have somewhere to continue when Thread 3 fills up. If you're due to have a baby in February 2025 (or late January or early March, as we have a wide spread!), come join us for support, advice and (at present) some really useful Black Friday recommendations! Big welcoming hugs to all the usual suspects coming over from Thread 3 🤗

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CarrotySnack · 31/12/2024 14:07

retrievermum · 31/12/2024 11:52

@CarrotySnack definitely! A few things on there are based on things that happened last time (eg. My husband had to leave the room with baby and we didn’t know why) but most are just because my trauma stemmed from a loss of control, so I’m just trying to control as much as I possibly can, if that makes sense?

Things like:

  • Dim lights
  • Low volume of speaking (if at all)
  • Playlist
  • Curtain lowered
  • Husband fully informed
  • Delayed cord clamping
  • Anti-sickness before starting
  • Don’t tell us the sex
  • Immediate skin to skin
  • Do not separate me from baby unless medical emergency
  • Free arm
  • Breastfeed in theatre if possible

So mostly me being a control freak 😂

Thank you retrievermum. That's not control freakish at all, this all sounds essential, and really it's just a shame it's not just the norm and we have to insist on this stuff.

It's the 'in case of caesarean' bit of my birth plan where my ability to have any agency seems to evaporate, so this is really helpful too. Especially as it's harder to ask for some things as I've much less of an idea of what goes on in the operating theatre. I didn't know about the anti-sickness thing - I cope really badly with nausea so I might add that line to my birth plan even though I didn't even know nausea might be involved!

My partner and I watched an episode of One Born Every Minute last night - not usually our cup of tea, but I've never seen an episode and I thought it might be a good way of seeing the inside of an NHS ward at work. I'm not sure I could recommend it - full of deliberately-chosen 'characters' and sad back-stories (at one point we were in tears, and then I said 'oh no, we're being emotionally manipulated by channel 4', and we cried all over again), but it was good to see what a gas and air machine looks like.

Sorry to hear that, @OrangeSlices998 , you must be exhausted.

retrievermum · 31/12/2024 15:53

@CarrotySnack just for context (I know you probably won’t want to hear it!), I was sick quite a lot during labour, but wasn’t sick in theatre.

I didn’t get a lot of notice with the sickness during labour, it was very much “I need a bowl now”, and then when I kept going they offered me anti sickness medication (one type didn’t work so they gave me a different type which did), so if you feel nauseous at all, you can ask straight away! Same in theatre, I said I felt sick and they immediately gave me some more anti sickness medication before I could ruin the sterile environment 😂

If you have any questions about what happens in theatre etc from the point of view of an EMCS, I’m happy to answer!

elb1504 · 31/12/2024 18:17

I was also very sick throughout labour, same as @retrievermum no warning just happened very quickly think it may have been the gas and air that made me sick. I did have several anti sickness medication and seemed to work, I was OK once I went into theatre. I don't remember anyone telling me or warning me about being sick in labour so worth people noting!

Kumquat89 · 31/12/2024 21:53

Talking about being sick I just vomited all my lunch at the restaurant toilets while trying to take a bite of dinner. Now back at the hotel where I think we’ll be celebrating the change of the year laying down 🤢

@OrangeSlices998 your husband should build you a statue. 2 hours in the car without kids for me and it was already a struggle. I hope the rest of the journey will pass quickly for you and you’ll soon get some proper rest at home.

To end on a positive note… Happy new year guys. 🥳 Can you believe that some of us will already be giving birth this month? We are soooo close now.

SBelfast · 31/12/2024 22:52

Happy New Year ladies!
Can't believe how close Feb is....
I'm so bad at checking in it's taken me about 30 mins to read all the posts, all really helpful to read.
Santa brought me gestational diabetes 😂 actually found out on Christmas eve but only attended diabetes clinic yesterday due to their holidays so just started with the blood sugar monitoring.
Can absolutely relate with people feeling emotional, I had a full on epic meltdown/panic attack/wail last night over having to prick my finger 😂
I don't like needles and am already having to get two blood tests a week so it just pushed me right over the edge.
Been massively in my head about birth options of which I am told I only really have two, induction or c-section at 37 weeks. Been flip flopping so much and after my melt down actually had to ask my husband to decide for me as genuinely think my mental health has practically left the building lol. Decided section, but I'm still worried about all the risks. But then again apparently in my trust 20% of vaginal births end in section and having to have an induction and a potentially large baby could make that more likely 🤔
Sigh.....pregnancy is bloody hard work!!
Is anyone getting restless now wanting this over and done with?!!

Also does anyone have recommendations for any virtual how to look after babies courses? Lol the basics even, burping and nappies...:)

UncharteredWaters · 31/12/2024 23:02

SBelfast · 31/12/2024 22:52

Happy New Year ladies!
Can't believe how close Feb is....
I'm so bad at checking in it's taken me about 30 mins to read all the posts, all really helpful to read.
Santa brought me gestational diabetes 😂 actually found out on Christmas eve but only attended diabetes clinic yesterday due to their holidays so just started with the blood sugar monitoring.
Can absolutely relate with people feeling emotional, I had a full on epic meltdown/panic attack/wail last night over having to prick my finger 😂
I don't like needles and am already having to get two blood tests a week so it just pushed me right over the edge.
Been massively in my head about birth options of which I am told I only really have two, induction or c-section at 37 weeks. Been flip flopping so much and after my melt down actually had to ask my husband to decide for me as genuinely think my mental health has practically left the building lol. Decided section, but I'm still worried about all the risks. But then again apparently in my trust 20% of vaginal births end in section and having to have an induction and a potentially large baby could make that more likely 🤔
Sigh.....pregnancy is bloody hard work!!
Is anyone getting restless now wanting this over and done with?!!

Also does anyone have recommendations for any virtual how to look after babies courses? Lol the basics even, burping and nappies...:)

If you’re really struggling with the finger pricks and your trust is unlikely to provide a libre glucose sensor - you can order a free two week trial from Abbott.

Little sensor in your arm for the 2 weeks, not painful, can scan as often as needed from your phone (really useful for getting on top of the effects of different foods!!) and can share with your diabetes team for much more accurate data.

might be worth a shot to reduce the emotional burden?

SBelfast · 31/12/2024 23:16

@UncharteredWaters I really wanted one, was going to self fund it but the consultant told me not to use it as apparently it's not super reliable for gestational diabetes, she said only way was finger pricking. I'm not 6 pricks in and it's not so bad despite my meltdown...so long as my husband does it haha.

UncharteredWaters · 31/12/2024 23:18

retrievermum · 31/12/2024 11:52

@CarrotySnack definitely! A few things on there are based on things that happened last time (eg. My husband had to leave the room with baby and we didn’t know why) but most are just because my trauma stemmed from a loss of control, so I’m just trying to control as much as I possibly can, if that makes sense?

Things like:

  • Dim lights
  • Low volume of speaking (if at all)
  • Playlist
  • Curtain lowered
  • Husband fully informed
  • Delayed cord clamping
  • Anti-sickness before starting
  • Don’t tell us the sex
  • Immediate skin to skin
  • Do not separate me from baby unless medical emergency
  • Free arm
  • Breastfeed in theatre if possible

So mostly me being a control freak 😂

@retrievermum
i read your post with some emotion and might be able to help with a bit of it - what’s standard/what’s not and what can be accommodated/altered.

Did you have a debrief after your last section to answer some of the questions? You might even be able to ask your midwife now to go through the old notes if it’s the same hospital - e.g there’s usually a reason that’s pretty clear in the documentation for why he needed to leave. Might help you feel a sense of control this time?

From your post - lots of things on there are pretty common/standard eg delayed cord clamping, anti sickness, getting baby to you etc.

Some things are easily accommodated eg dad telling you the sex or looking together.

Free arm - are you right or left handed? You’ll have a venflon in both arms for emergencies but only usually ever need one, the anaesthestist is usually to your left,so that arm is easiest to use, with the main surgeon operating from the right of the table. Even with an arm in use you can still use it to hold baby as long as your safe/not drowsy etc Another position is baby across your chest with dp using a hand to hold in place too.

Anti-sickness - try to work out if you can which you found helpful last time. It’s easy to give early but some people react badly to different ones. Often the vomit in labour is from contractions which is different from the nausea of theatre and explains why some don’t work.

Dim lights and low volume - it’s variable how this can be done. Safety is the paramount, so the surgeon will up/down the lights to their need unfortunately and not yours. Often it can be the overhead glare of operating lights that’s dazzling, these can be aimed away from you, provided the field of operating isn’t affected, do you wear glasses?
Low volume - you can ask for less general chatter no problem but the surgeon/anaesthetist/scrub nurse etc for safety need to speak to each other e.g every pack of swabs/blade/stitch is counted in/out - this can be from the sterile field across to a chart on the wall etc. Would headphones help you?
People often talk about a playlist - just be aware we have no speakers/sound system in theatre. You could definitely use your partners phone/own mini speaker if you wished, with except for the safety brief at the start?

Would going through the proceedure with the obstetrician be beneficial? Does your trust have preparation for c- section class? We have it online and it’s really good for asking about all these things.

Hope that’s helpful and doesn’t come across as patronising.

retrievermum · 31/12/2024 23:36

@UncharteredWaters not patronising at all! Thank you 🩷

I’ve had two debriefs with the hospital, and had all of my notes sent over, and the hospital have basically all but admitted their own failings (I didn’t know I’d had a 1.7L PPH and I didn’t know both me and baby were septic until I got my notes and then asked for clarification). I THINK (presume!) this is why a lot of the standard things weren’t offered to me last time, but despite the debriefs I don’t feel convinced that they did what they declare as standard.

I’m hoping for a VBAC this time around, and because my body has laboured to 8cm before, I’ve been assured by quite a lot of midwives that I’m a good candidate, but I think last time because I didn’t set out that I wanted X, Y and Z, they did what was convenient rather than what was necessarily best for me and baby (even though I rationally know they were probably thinking “oh shit she’s bleeding let’s get this done quickly without stressing anyone out!”).

I’ve been seeing a specialist birth trauma therapist privately for about a year now and she suggested “going totally OTT” with my requests, because that way if I get half of them, it’s more control than I had last time so hopefully I won’t feel quite as traumatised!

CarrotySnack · 01/01/2025 09:52

I'm a bit belated to this, but @retrievermum and @elb1504 thank you for the warning about nausea, which I hadn't thought of. It's upsetting, retrievermum, that we should have to specify 'do not separate me from baby unless medical emergency', and that this happened to you, but I'm absolutely writing this on my birth plan now. @UncharteredWaters I found what you have written really helpful too.
The main bullet point on my birth-plan that I'm unsure about is in my 'in case of caesarean' section, and I worry it might be genuinely laughed at by the medical staff, so I'm unsure whether to include it. In fact it's so 'out there' that I'm almost embarrassed to share it with you all. Ok here it is:

  • If this isn’t impossible for you, could you prepare to bring the baby out of the uterus slowly and in stages, giving him a chance to wriggle while being squeezed slightly by the uterus. I.e. not just bringing him fully clear of uterus immediately / in one movement
I have read about the possibility of this kind of 'gentle caesarean' happening in some places in the world, so I think it is possible - just probably not in Durham & Darlington NHS trust! The idea is that it helps the baby have a bit more of a gentle emergence, a bit more agency, and get the fluid squeezed out their lungs as they would in a vaginal birth. Is it ridiculous? OTOH, I guess, as you said, @retrievermum , we shouldn't be afraid to be a bit demanding for once because we might at least end up with more compromises.
CarrotySnack · 01/01/2025 09:53

PS. I feel the need to say that all the other bullet points on my birth plan are much less wordy and more normal 😂

ThisLimeDeer · 01/01/2025 10:32

SBelfast · 31/12/2024 22:52

Happy New Year ladies!
Can't believe how close Feb is....
I'm so bad at checking in it's taken me about 30 mins to read all the posts, all really helpful to read.
Santa brought me gestational diabetes 😂 actually found out on Christmas eve but only attended diabetes clinic yesterday due to their holidays so just started with the blood sugar monitoring.
Can absolutely relate with people feeling emotional, I had a full on epic meltdown/panic attack/wail last night over having to prick my finger 😂
I don't like needles and am already having to get two blood tests a week so it just pushed me right over the edge.
Been massively in my head about birth options of which I am told I only really have two, induction or c-section at 37 weeks. Been flip flopping so much and after my melt down actually had to ask my husband to decide for me as genuinely think my mental health has practically left the building lol. Decided section, but I'm still worried about all the risks. But then again apparently in my trust 20% of vaginal births end in section and having to have an induction and a potentially large baby could make that more likely 🤔
Sigh.....pregnancy is bloody hard work!!
Is anyone getting restless now wanting this over and done with?!!

Also does anyone have recommendations for any virtual how to look after babies courses? Lol the basics even, burping and nappies...:)

Hi @SBelfast I had a midwife appointment on Christmas Eve as well and she found sugar in my urine too :(.
as a result she referred me to the diabetic midwife who rang me on the same day and then left me the blood sugar kit at the hospital to pick up.
I’ve been monitoring blood sugar now for a few days (she advised to start after Christmas) and unfortunately my readings are rather high.
I don’t really know how to manage this but I have another telephone appointment with her on Friday so I’m hoping she will share some wisdom.
As for birth choices and risks associated with c-sections, inductions etc. I found this website very helpful: birthfacts.org <— this actually help me decide on a c-section (I have hypertension, baby is big and also now there’s also GD so I feel like it’s the best choice for me but this website helped me understand risks and reassured me).
Regarding online baby care classes - if you follow the Baby Academy on instagram (or just google them) they run free online webinars on baby care, breastfeeding, hypnobirthing sometimes… I did the first two and found them helpful, also they are free :)

Tulipwood · 01/01/2025 12:05

SBelfast · 31/12/2024 22:52

Happy New Year ladies!
Can't believe how close Feb is....
I'm so bad at checking in it's taken me about 30 mins to read all the posts, all really helpful to read.
Santa brought me gestational diabetes 😂 actually found out on Christmas eve but only attended diabetes clinic yesterday due to their holidays so just started with the blood sugar monitoring.
Can absolutely relate with people feeling emotional, I had a full on epic meltdown/panic attack/wail last night over having to prick my finger 😂
I don't like needles and am already having to get two blood tests a week so it just pushed me right over the edge.
Been massively in my head about birth options of which I am told I only really have two, induction or c-section at 37 weeks. Been flip flopping so much and after my melt down actually had to ask my husband to decide for me as genuinely think my mental health has practically left the building lol. Decided section, but I'm still worried about all the risks. But then again apparently in my trust 20% of vaginal births end in section and having to have an induction and a potentially large baby could make that more likely 🤔
Sigh.....pregnancy is bloody hard work!!
Is anyone getting restless now wanting this over and done with?!!

Also does anyone have recommendations for any virtual how to look after babies courses? Lol the basics even, burping and nappies...:)

As a bit of a GD veteran (not my first rodeo) there are more options than what they may have suggested. 37 weeks induction is very early unless GD is really poorly controlled or there are other risks.

Sometimes the consultants say things as fact but they are far from it. NICE guidelines state controlled GD can be left until 40 + 6.

Of course if you are happy with your choice got for it, but don’t feel forced into anything

edit to add, I have GD this time again and I will be booking in a csection at 40 + 6 but hopefully having a spontaneous VBAC before.

retrievermum · 01/01/2025 12:38

@CarrotySnack my friend had her baby at Durham hospital a couple of weeks ago and they adhered to the “gentle” requests she made really well apparently!

Hers was a planned section so a little bit easier I think but definitely worth asking, especially because most emergency sections are cat 2/3, meaning they’re not necessarily URGENT and they can take a little bit of time.

Definitely worth getting on your birth plan!

SBelfast · 01/01/2025 13:26

@ThisLimeDeerdid they give you a glucose tolerance test after the urine or straight onto the blood sugar monitoring? Seems unusual if the latter but I'm wondering with Christmas and New Years if that's why. 🤔
I'm only a full day into trying to manage it and I know there's lots of other people on here with it who will have lots more experience but so far I've just been sticking to the diet recommendations and my sugars have been varied but within targets. Basically cutting out all sugar, and reducing carbs, swapping to better types of carbs like wholegrain bread and brown rice. Found a nice chilli recipe on diabetes.com. I saw a dietician at the diabetes clinic who was really helpful with information and told me to test fasted first thing in morning, and then one hour after breakfast, lunch and dinner. Space meals out 4-6 hours apart and snacks 2 hours after/before next meal. Ideally after eating do some exercise. I've bad pelvic, hip and back pain but just trying to move more. Sorry if you've been told all this already but thought I'd share in case it helps:)
They told me 70% of people with GTD will need medication if diet alone not working, for me as only a few weeks left would be straight onto insulin injections.
Hope your telephone appointment goes well and is helpful, let me know how you get on :)

@Tulipwood yes your right about that :), sorry I forgot to mention I've already a diagnosis of PPROM picked up at 26 weeks which is the driver to deliver at 37 weeks to mitigate continued risk of infection. I've hardly noticed and fluid leaking of late, and the fluid around baby looks good, and I'm now skeptical about the diagnosis. One doctor suggested could be a false positive, when I looked up the test blood can cause false positives and there was blood on the swab. That's why I'm keen to try and keep baby in longer ideally till 39 weeks which would been when planned c-section would have been done if no diagnosis! But shall see how continued monitoring goes and what the professionals advise. :)

OrangeSlices998 · 01/01/2025 15:36

My friends GDM was well managed largely by a 30m walk after each meal - couldn’t believe it! And pairing carbs with protein.

Kumquat89 · 01/01/2025 16:07

Oh girls I’m so tired and fed up today. Been vomiting since 22h last night. Managed to get myself a stomach bug it seems. Misery. It was officially the worst réveillon of my life! I hope it stops quite soon and that I’ll manage to keep some liquids down eventually 😭

ThisLimeDeer · 01/01/2025 16:35

SBelfast · 01/01/2025 13:26

@ThisLimeDeerdid they give you a glucose tolerance test after the urine or straight onto the blood sugar monitoring? Seems unusual if the latter but I'm wondering with Christmas and New Years if that's why. 🤔
I'm only a full day into trying to manage it and I know there's lots of other people on here with it who will have lots more experience but so far I've just been sticking to the diet recommendations and my sugars have been varied but within targets. Basically cutting out all sugar, and reducing carbs, swapping to better types of carbs like wholegrain bread and brown rice. Found a nice chilli recipe on diabetes.com. I saw a dietician at the diabetes clinic who was really helpful with information and told me to test fasted first thing in morning, and then one hour after breakfast, lunch and dinner. Space meals out 4-6 hours apart and snacks 2 hours after/before next meal. Ideally after eating do some exercise. I've bad pelvic, hip and back pain but just trying to move more. Sorry if you've been told all this already but thought I'd share in case it helps:)
They told me 70% of people with GTD will need medication if diet alone not working, for me as only a few weeks left would be straight onto insulin injections.
Hope your telephone appointment goes well and is helpful, let me know how you get on :)

@Tulipwood yes your right about that :), sorry I forgot to mention I've already a diagnosis of PPROM picked up at 26 weeks which is the driver to deliver at 37 weeks to mitigate continued risk of infection. I've hardly noticed and fluid leaking of late, and the fluid around baby looks good, and I'm now skeptical about the diagnosis. One doctor suggested could be a false positive, when I looked up the test blood can cause false positives and there was blood on the swab. That's why I'm keen to try and keep baby in longer ideally till 39 weeks which would been when planned c-section would have been done if no diagnosis! But shall see how continued monitoring goes and what the professionals advise. :)

I had a glucose test a few weeks ago and it came back normal at the time. Had a growth scan since and found out baby was ‘off the scale’ big so my consultant started questioning whether I do indeed have GD and she was going to request another glucose test anyway.

What happened next was my midwife saw me on Christmas Eve and found sugar in my urine sample. Knowing the background info she decided to refer me straight in. Diabetes midwife asked me to not change my diet and just monitor for about 5 days to confirm whether it’s GD or not so she hasn’t actually given me any advice yet, I will have a chat with her about my readings on Friday.

It is unusual but basically what raised suspicion first was the size of my son.

CarrotySnack · 01/01/2025 17:41

@retrievermum thank you!!! that's very reassuring, especially about your friend in Durham, and I'm really glad for her - I hope she and baby are recovering well. If she's local I wonder if I'll meet her at some point, it's a small town!

CarrotySnack · 01/01/2025 17:56

I don't want to distract from important discussion about GD, but juuuust in case I'm not the only person here who has made the same mistake, I've just realised the Joie car seat we bought back in November requires a base!

It turns out that "transforms into a 90° spinning car seat with the i-Base Encore" actually means "requires the i-Base Encore in order to function as a car seat". And there was us thinking we had bought one that could strap in with a seat belt if you were happy to use it without the ability to swivel it 🤦🏼‍♀️. All the Maxi-cosi seats can be used with either, and the language used in the description for this seat is no different, so we assumed it was the same. At least we have found out with a few weeks left to go!! It was one of the ones with a big discount around black friday so just in case I can save someone else a major shock later this month!

sohomum18 · 01/01/2025 18:19

Hoping @UrbanSquirrel is ok as haven’t seen a post from her for a while, sending best wishes 🤞🏻

UrbanSquirrel · 01/01/2025 18:38

Hello @sohomum18! Yes I'm absolutely fine, and you're very sweet for checking in on me. We had my parents over Christmas so I'm still recovering 😉 and meanwhile trying to figure out the best time to eat large wedges of panettone so that it doesn't show up on my blood sugar readings...

I see there has been some discussion about gestational diabetes below, which I shall have a look at with interest. Still managing not to be put on medication here, but we'll see if I can keep that up. The panettone probably doesn't help. Don't tell my midwife 🤫

Hope everyone else had a wonderful New Year! Gearing up for the final few weeks now... Is anyone else starting to feel unbearably... round?

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UrbanSquirrel · 01/01/2025 18:56

Gosh I genuinely had no idea I'd missed so much. I'm not sure my notifications have been working properly. Good to catch up with everything - huge sympathy for the newcomers to the GD gang, but hang on in there, girls, there's just a few weeks to go. MrSquirrel has found all sorts of recipes on BBC Good Food that are aimed at diabetics and it means we've actually done pretty well without feeling too hard done by. Obviously Christmas was an absolute wipeout, but that seems to be expected.

Some good points about birth plans too. I think I'll print one out to take in; that's a good idea. Though I'm massively encouraged by the experience that a friend from pregnancy yoga had, when she was taken in just before Christmas for a sort-of-emergency section - she had nothing but good to say about it, and it looks as though 'gentle caesarean' tactics are standard in our hospital, so thank God for that.

Big hugs to everyone. Not long now!

I'm continuing to fight the good fight for getting MiniSquirrel out at the beginning of week 39, in order to avoid being cut open on my 40th birthday (slap bang in the middle of week 39). Noises have been encouraging so far - my extreme age 😜, the GD, and the fact she's still big all seem to be working in favour of that.

Plus I may well have the crazed expression of a woman who will not be denied rare steak, plentiful carbs, gooey birthday cake, and a seriously good bottle of wine for a moment longer 😂 x

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sohomum18 · 01/01/2025 19:50

Glad to hear all is well @UrbanSquirrel! hope the visit from your parents was lovely. Love that you’ve been sneaking panettones in - what your midwife doesn’t know about and all 🤣 sounds promising that you can hopefully get your day before your birthday too.

I’m also feeling extremely round and can’t believe there are still 7 weeks until my due date - it’s hard to believe this baby still has plenty of growing to do 🥴

Hhdxx · 02/01/2025 07:00

I hope everybody is doing well! Can't believe this is the year we have our babies!

Is anybody else absolutely obsessed with their babies movements? I keep going to triage as his routine changes ALL the time. It's so stressful to track.

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